yu2fa3
- 2014-09-28
I would be all for a cleaner forum; where we are all a little more careful about what we say and how we say it. However, some of us seem to be pushing for control by stealth, and I would see that as a bit of a slippery slope. The best way to deal with unruly posters is to ignore them; unless of course you are like me, and don't mind what other people say to you.
Fifi
- 2014-09-26
Me too.
My understanding is that this site wants that too. Whence the many [edited] annotations which may seem random but which, altogether, are pushing the direction of the exchanges towards a different angle.
Somebody
- 2014-09-24
So Fifi, did you hear back from the editor?
What'd s/he say?
ZenMaster
- 2014-09-24
People like you are called "humus of society"... where the dead plants decay together in a dark humid undifferentiated mass and become soil. It's good. Trees grow there.... Most of our food and the food of animals grows there.
Another analogy would be the feces that form in the body; it's good. That's the end of the feeding process. But I personally don't give much attention to my feces. I don't look at them, smell them, measure them, look at their color. I don't argue with them. I just flush...
Reminds me this anecdote:
Feisty, formidable Charlotte Whitton, the former mayor of Ottawa, was introduced to the mayor of London, England. He was bedecked in all the medals and chains of his office, while she had only a flower in her lapel. He leaned forward and said most haughtily, If I sniff your rose, will you blush? Charlotte replied, And if I pull your chain, will you flush?
Another of her famous quotes:
"Whatever women do they must do twice as well as men to be thought half as good. Luckily, this is not difficult."
Have a nice day, Owhatever
ZenMaster
- 2014-09-24
Another low vibration specimen.
No need to pay attention
Beth
- 2014-09-23
I honestly can't see how, he's the one that starts it every single time! That much is plainly clear from a quick chronological look at this thread in its entirety and many, many others! Turnoi starts it every time!
Although your post was edited, so that tells me you're most likely another of his entourage, so therefore there's little point in.expecting impartiality from you either!
John O'Shei
- 2014-09-23
Actually, in this case I have more of a reason to defend Turnoi than criticise him.
[edited]
Beth
- 2014-09-23
You are correct, if a little one sided! Turnoi makes it just as much about me and others with his incessant insults and fallacious posts, it is easy to get sucked in to responding, especially when it's about you!
For my part I will attempt to ignore him from now on unless it's something relevant to the topic. Any more insults or aspersions about me personally I shall do my best to ignore, although for their part I would like to see the mods on this site stop allowing through his posts that are purely attacks on me and my character, or anyone for that matter.
As for the 5 year rule, I think that's a great step forward, but not nearly enough to stem the tide of tourist-teachers that flock to China. You can have 5 years experience of doing very little teaching and a lot of socialising and you would still get through this net.
If the 5 years experience were outside of China, this may produce better results, but there is still more that could be done, such as an official regulatory body (not Chinese, so not open as much to the possibility of corruption), for example English or American inspectors from Cambridge ESOL or another such body, it would take a lot of work, but it's the only way I believe teaching standards in China will ever get better. But as I said, it is wonderful to see they have accepted and recognised the problem and are taking steps to correct it.
Walking Dead
- 2014-09-23
Correct me if i'm wrong but i thought the 5 years experience criteria didn't apply to language teachers which limits it's implications for the esl industry. As far as i'm aware language teachers will only need 2 years experience to work in Beijing. These kind of 'rules' have been around for a while but they seem subject to location, time and the needs of institutions.
I personally don't think this will be extended to the rest of china or to the esl industry in general because it would kill it off overnight and there are far too many vested interests in the money making side of it for that to happen. Besides which i don't feel that it would make that much difference to the quality of teaching in the country as a whole.
Fifi
- 2014-09-23
I am interested. Can we discuss "5 years of experience teaching rule' in Beijing"
John O'Shei
- 2014-09-22
Looks like I didn't miss much, since I last browsed.
For all his good contributions, this place is not supposed to be 'The Turnoi show.'
Get over yourselves, lol.
This is why I can't really be arsed with wasting time on here. Too many petty squabbles and nothing relevant going on.
For example, it appears that nobody discussed the new '5 years of experience teaching rule' in Beijing, that could have massive implications for the ESL industry in China, both positive and negative. That shit's far more important than anything that anybody has against Turnoi.
Veloce
- 2014-09-22
The language is getting a bit course?
We don't want an animal farm situation where Turnoi is replaced by tyrants. We musn't forget that Turnoi should have the right to say what he does. As long as we have the right to argue in kind. Personally (and he doesn't like me) I feel he would be a big loss to this forum. Hypothetical though; he's not going anywhere.
Somebody
- 2014-09-22
Decides what?
To allow Turnoi to crap all over the forums, all the time?
Fifi
- 2014-09-22
I wrote to the editor. My understanding is that he is the one who decides, not the mods.
Somebody
- 2014-09-22
So then, why are you writing to the "mods" as though to someone you don't know?
Fifi
- 2014-09-22
Not at all. I know one of the mods. Turnoi is not the editor/owner, he is not even a mod.
Beth
- 2014-09-22
That was my aim when starting this thread, unfortunately others appear to be on some personal crusade to prevent intelligent discussion.
Fifi
- 2014-09-22
One of the ways to achieve that is to write to the editor, which I did. Let's see what happens....
BeenThere
- 2014-09-22
I vote for a higher level of discussion on this board. More civility. Anybody else?
Beth
- 2014-09-22
I started a perfectly neutral thread about site suggestions and within 12 posts Turnoi and CT turn.it in to yet another thread bashing private schools they know nothing about, personal insults and totally fabricated nonsense about Spain, my wages and the ethos of the school I work for.
And you say I'm the one who is repetitive and argumentative?! Hysterical!
Concerned Teacher
- 2014-09-22
Good points, although to be fair Turnoi a lot of spaniards do prefer working in the UK given the current unemployment rate in Spain. The UK is faring far better than Spain in terms of employment and economy at the moment,but yes,[edited]. Spain is also a rather expensive country and so those hard earned euros through teaching english won't go as far as she thinks!!!!!!