If you want to find something, you'll find it. But a sign of maturity is how well you implement your own experiences with what you read and also how well you take compare your own conclusions about life with that of others. You don't care about what others think so as long as they don't agree with you, so you are working off of a big handicap. You will only play nice as a ploy until I show a hand of politeness and kindness which you then take as weakness and you bare your own fangs and try to humiliate me for disagreeing with you. You do not know what finding middle ground means, and you fit in rather well with the general population where you're at.

Like I said earlier, the lack of confidence towards self brings about the disregarding of the boundaries and space of others. You seem to carry this quite well as you don't have boundaries, nor do you respect the personal space of others. Your attitude towards me is that of someone who will not stop until he has completely demolished my values and my thinking and replaced that with his own self perceived "better" ideas. It's this very action that is proof of how inferior your ideas really are. Now you want to play the democracy hand and call me a hypocrite for not respecting free speech. Apparently I was mistaken all along? That you do in fact love the west and agree with what I have stated about China? I think not! You are the last sort of person who would understand what free speech means and the benefits that it should bring not only to you, but towards everyone. [deleted][deleted]

Why don't you take up these supposedly great traits that the Chinese possess yourself instead of being so cruel and malicious towards those who disagree with you, or is that very behavior Chinese? You in your behavior to expect others to obey a set of ethics so you can believe how right you really are but on the other hand you don't have to abide by those same rules because you're already inherently better, eh? What you're doing is convincing more and more people that the very country and culture that you're so eager to defend is actually only good for very limited, certain "types" of people such as you, and those types of people certainly do not fall into what can be considered "normal"!

I have made such statements towards Chinese Americans as well as Chinese citizens and I have not always received a defensive reaction or even one that could be called critical towards me. There are people who care enough to criticize their own ethnic groups and try to create a newer mindset and establishing a more solid foundation of values, both of which can prolong, nourish, and blossom new culture as well as evolving old ones. [edited] Your own flaws start from the very beginning of your argument when you pre-assume that there are enough good people as well as good environments in China that would invalidate my points, and you believe the dogma and look down on me because I don't believe it. The more you talk, the less you are able to convince me of anything.

No, my dear boy, "much lower" would be your own lack of compassion and [edited] comments on your ideas of china that you made as being just as good, if not better than the west. You're are [edited] [edited]

You put moral obligations and standards on westerners but yet you buy into EVERYTHING that China and Chinese say hook, line, and sinker. [edited] [edited][edited][edited] You probably picked up a hobby [edited], which in this case probably was reading a few books on China and suddenly thinking the "heaven" that you've always had in your mind could somehow be brought to life. You thought there was a PERFECT world out there where everything was in order, all people were nice because it was so natural to them, and you could understand how everything worked without really having to think about why. [edited][edited] made you project this onto China as being that very place where you will find what you are looking for.

You hate me and other posters for saying things like the way they are because we are not respecting your perfect little world. Well [edited][edited][edited] To your credit though talking to you does make me lose confidence on whether the West is as capable of producing folks who can think for themselves like they used to, since YOU obviously can't do it. You started to post on here thinking you could act out your predator fantasy and bully me into not posting or changing my mind but things have a way of coming around and biting you [edited], eh? Just because YOU'RE working in china and is happy doesn't mean everyone is, and just because you don't like criticism towards your so beloved adopted country doesn't mean it can be stopped. You're posts are [edited][edited][edited] and you are [edited][edited]. You're wrong, case closed!

Well I was basing that assessment on the following that dragonized wrote

Which leads me to my next point, my main one on why I believe the moral inferiority issue.

That next point being the one I posted a response to (a lack of individualism in chinese culture) which included statements such as

modern chinese culture as interpreted by the chinese is one that rests its laurels on taking abuse and breaking down individualism

And

Individualism is demonized

The Chinese cannot tolerate each other for doing better. In Mandarin this is called, "Jian bu de qi ta ren geng hao". Even within families the Father will badmouth the Mother's side of the family or vice versa towards the kid. Have you seen a genuine effort to tolerate people of different thinking in this country? No. They are either marginalized to the very bottom of society or snuffed out completely. If the people who wrote the Declaration of Independence thought like how Chinese founders thought, they would have already started to murder each other and fight it out before the Brits even left. You would have seen Franklin troops attacking Jefferson troops and forming temporary alliances with Washington troops only to start killing each other the very next week.

I fully agree. In fact I remember advising a poster on here not long back to do a bit of research on the basics of high and low context communication as it might come in handy while visiting the Far East. If only more teachers had the vision to understand the differences in these simple day to day things and the sense to veer away from questions such as which system is superior or which is right and instead just accept them as being different.

Your own arrogance at your statements being the end all of all arguments comes out, again. There are plenty of immigrated Chinese who would disagree with you, that I am sure of. But of course if you had met them you would probably try and monopolize the conversation with your own tripe, showing how much you're afraid of the different experiences of other individuals. You would rather see the world as defined by countries and cultures rather than by the differing situations and underlying reasons of how things are interpreted. China does make it easy to not have to think, eh?