It seems that the anti-private training center gang on this forum have a limited scope. I lived and worked in China as a teacher for 20 years and I don't agree that all Private English Learning Centers are terrible. A case in point is King's International English who combine the Ellis Program with classes with Foreign Teachers to provide quality English training known as CALL (computer assisted languae learning) This method works!! This is witnessed by the growth of this type of language learning. I never see anything mentioned on this forum about CALL. I'm just wondering if the "big three", i.e. Silverboy, Tourino, Tornoi who try to dominate this forum have any experience with this type of language training. Even if they don't, I'm sure they will chime in with more of their inane chatter.