Well now Silver boy you have followed the ususal pattern. When I try to educate you about just one Privarte Training Center using CALL (Ellis) you acuse me of trying to market the school. I assure you Silverboy they don't need my help, they're doing great and this one fact lays waste to your contention that "all" Private Training Cednters are bad. Then you display your egocentrism by telling me that you were working with CALL and using CALL before I ever heard of it. Wow! You don't know me or when I first became aware of CALL. The usual coming from an people like you, when you can't win the verbal battle, you get personal. There is is folks, if you're interested (which I doubt) Silverboy in all his vaingloriousness. Try 1995 for my first exposure to CALL, were you even out of High School then?? Enough of this, you don't want to be educated or employ empiricism to anything, you have your dogma and no matter what you will keep you tarnished point of view.