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Harikiri - 2010-05-20
In response to Re: a degree (Grin)

Not everyone teaching here needs or desires the better jobs!

So, if a uni in China would pay 5500 RMB to you as a Master degree holder (instead of 4500 RMB to a Bachelor degree holder) for basically the same job, would you insist to receive 4500 RMB only? Hard to believe......

That's not what I meant, and you know it. Stop doing the twist!

There is no twist, It's just challenging you on the basis of your own input.

The fact is that neither the world nor a country like China owes anyone an ESL teaching job - not anyone, even those who are unemployed at home. If, for example, unemployment is the only reason why they come to China, then I think they are most likely the wrong teachers in the wrong place. The only formal criterion whether someone should be given a job in teaching ESL is qualification and previous performance alone. That also includes some formal proof of a degree as this would make sure that so-called "professional" native teachers of ESL do NOT teach their students wrong things like "it's" and "its", "synonym" and "synonymous" mistakes in their written and spoken English.

The linguistic standards a native ESL teacher is expected to teach would be that of an average educated middle class-based native English speaker, and a having a degree and by that being used to such more educated levels of speech and writing definitely helps while holding fake degrees, for example, does definitely not.

Denying the usefulness of a degree in ESL is almost as tragic as using fake degree for the sake of better work and higher pay. The mindset behind such an attitude firstly indicates that those with such an opinion assume a right to be given an ESL job with or without any due qualification, and it also indicates that many of those highly overestimate themselves in their capabilities and are too blind to see their own limits and shortcomings.

Studying a good textbook sometimes can help a lot!

And to assert such a nonsense that a poorly organised education system like the one in China merits poorly trained foreign teachers in which pretend teachers with a fake degree would not matter at all also indicates that there those less well educated people who falsely think they have a right to have this job and that it is owed to them. In brief, it's wrong and highly unprofessional, and most of those foreigners in China and anywhere else spreading such a nonsense are the kind of grovelling weasels who are the first to kiss a certain backside of their shabby (or should we call it "crappy") employers as they most likely have no other place to go.

Messages In This Thread
a degree -- puzzlemaster -- 2010-05-18
Re: a degree -- Anon -- 2010-05-20
Re: a degree -- Fake -- 2010-05-18
Re: a degree -- Non-degreed degree holder -- 2010-05-18
Re: a degree -- The Mortal -- 2010-05-18
Re: a degree -- Grin -- 2010-05-19
Re: a degree -- Harikiri -- 2010-05-19
Re: a degree -- Grin -- 2010-05-19
Re: a degree -- Harikiri -- 2010-05-20
Re: a degree -- Bannerman -- 2010-05-18
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