Hi Yang thanks for the information. I do not know much about degree discussion and although I have come across the site before it did not look very large or for that matter significant to me. You make enemies in life if you stand up for what you believe in. I would not go after everyone I ever disagreed with unless it was something that could hurt me significantly. Of course if someone tried doing this to my friends I would not mind getting down into the mud too. I think we've already chased those old goons off this forum, and this forum is much more popular and many more people visit this place than DD. Can you tell us more about the board mods on that forum as well as if posters such as The Baker has been posting on there for a while?