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#1 Parent San Migs - 2016-03-15
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What amazes me is that given you are all meant to be busy ESL teachers and/or business owners that you have time to post on here about all these topics at all. If one was truly flat out teaching it would literally be teach, eat, sleep, repeat....end of!!

#2 Parent San Migs - 2016-03-15
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While I do not wish to be all "bolshevik" or communist in tems of censorship, I cannot stop you censoring yourself. I haven't said anything insulting towards you, but my opinion is mine, as yours is yours, and ne'er the twain shall meet eh?

Good luck whether you stay or go.

#3 Parent San Migs - 2016-03-15
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Interesting, but lets dissect a bit. The Ku Klux Klan was based on the fact you could only be white and christian, lets take a look at a snippet from the wikipedia page (all verifiable by going there yourself, I won't post the URL lest I get accused of being an enabler/supporter...I am not!!):

Its appeal was directed exclusively at white Protestants; it opposed Jews, blacks, Catholics, and newly arriving Southern European groups such as Italians.[24] Some local groups threatened violence against rum runners and notorious sinners; the violent episodes generally took place in the South.[25]

The black panthers you just answered, one had to be black and follow communist/socialist views.

Ask a palestinian arab or secular israeli jew if you think there is no orthodox/extremist jewish racism/terrorism. These links I will post:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_religious_terrorism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Defense_League

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein

You call what I post racism. I maintain it is an ideology that each faith/race twists to their own ends, based on their interpretation of an ancient holy text, or political view, or ethnicity. But that DOES not make me racist! Do you get it NOW, do you!! That said I still support israel 100 percent as a beacon of democracy and a hub of science and technology in what is otherwise a war torn wasteland, they truly made the desert bloom, and that is beyond doubt. My last post on here, no reasoning with israel hating liberals like you and CL.

Good luck ace!!!

#4 Parent Splunge - 2016-03-15
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You still claim that Communism is Jewish, even though of the founding fathers you mentioned only one is in fact Jewish?

How moronic can you be?

And let's not forget those great Jews Stalin and Mao!

And I have nothing against jews anyway.

Yeah, I know, some of your best friend are Jewish, right?

#5 Parent Been There - 2016-03-15
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Great post!

#6 Parent paul fox - 2016-03-15
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Martin

The Ku Klux Klan possesses no ideology. They are merely racists.
The Black Panthers were Marxist-Leninist and Maoist.
Orthodox Jewish sects are based on interpretations of the Torah and other texts which no
educated person would define as racist.
Racism is a vile mixture of ignorance and hatred

It's also often a matter of a person's opinion as to what kind of remark is racist or non-racist. If we want to 'split hairs' then stating that the KKK are racists is, in itself, a 'racist' remark (if you look up the legal definition of 'racism')
Personally, I think the word is completely over-used and people use it as-and-when-it suits them.

I teach 'Civics' to high school students so 'racism' is a part of their course, and I do my best to explain it to them in the simplest way possible (yet that is not so easy given the huge 'area' that the word 'racism' can cover.
Essentially I teach them that human beings have essentially 2 types of things to deal with in their life.
The ones they have control over and the ones they don't
So it may be OK to call someone a 'stupid idiot' for something they have done (because they have control), but NOT to call them a 'stupid Chinese idiot' because they have no control over their ethnicity

But then we can take that one-step further and use religion as an example. Do people CHOOSE to be religious or are they 'born' religious? (well you know the answer to that), but herein lies the problem to my own argument. Do people CHOOSE to 'believe' in something or not?

Calling someone a 'stupid Christian' COULD be considered totally different to calling someone a 'stupid Muslim' for instance, simply because we THINK that western people have the freedom-of-choice as to whether they follow a faith or not. Try wearing a T-shirt in Saudi Arabia with the words 'Mohammed told me that all his followers are lunatics' and see how long you stay safe.

'Racism' has many forms, but most importantly 'abusing someone because of their race, sex, or belief' - they have no control over their race or sex - but belief?

In other words, if a member of the KKK CHOOSES to be a member (of his own volition), then by all means call him a 'racist' - but if he is a member of the KKK because of some ingrained belief system, then by definition, calling him a 'racist' is a racist remark. So how do you know? - You DON'T !

#7 Parent Splunge - 2016-03-15
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I doubt it is a question of a personal insult for Martin.

It is more that the level of ignorant racism and misogyny that the so-called moderators of this site have allowed is nauseating.

#8 Parent Curious - 2016-03-14
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Martin, I have seen a lot of insults on this forum in the last 10-12 years but maybe because I am North American, I fail to see an insult in the line that you quoted; I was totally surprised by your reply and I would honestly like to understand: Why is that line so insulting? I know that Karl Marx's family were Jewish.

If there is something really bad in that line, I can ask the Moderators to review it and ban the poster. Not sure they would go that far, but the purpose of this site is certainly not to insult people. If there is something that the moderators missed (they are of a variety of backgrounds), please help me understand and maybe I can help.

#9 Parent martin hainan - 2016-03-14
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The Ku Klux Klan possesses no ideology. They are merely racists.
The Black Panthers were Marxist-Leninist and Maoist.
Orthodox Jewish sects are based on interpretations of the Torah and other texts which no educated person would define as racist.
Racism is a vile mixture of ignorance and hatred. Disgust and outrage at racism is not political correctness.

#10 Parent martin hainan - 2016-03-14
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heaven forbid we call communism a european jewish idea, or a spade a spade.

Allowing this level of discourse on a "Teachers" forum is beyond reproach. There is nothing playful or amusing about racism.
I will no longer be contributing to this forum.

#11 Parent San Migs - 2016-03-14
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I know, jesus, I mean heaven forbid we call communism a european jewish idea, or a spade a spade. This is the problem with this PC stuff, it's now wrong to have an opinion!!

Cheers,
SMGS

#12 Parent San Migs - 2016-03-14
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You seem to be unaware of the difference between anti-Semitism (being against Jews) and anti-Zionism (being against Israel, simply put).

Well stone me down, I never did that stint on a kbbutz and I never travelled around Israel back in my twenties, that must have all been a figment of my imagination then. Don't need no schooling on the difference, myself and another poster on here have long been aware of it. And I am not against judaism nor the modern day state of Israel. End of!!

#13 Parent Splunge - 2016-03-14
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There were no anti semitic slurs intended, and I am against anti semitism by the by. I stand by Israel 100 %

You seem to be unaware of the difference between anti-Semitism (being against Jews) and anti-Zionism (being against Israel, simply put).

It is quite possible to be pro-Zionist and anti-Semitic. Many American presidents have been so.

You sir, are clearly an anti-Semite.

#14 Parent San Migs - 2016-03-14
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Uhm, the kkk, black panthers, various orthodox jewish extremist movements.

You just like to play the racist card when anyone has a different viewpoint from you. You won't get any PC nonsense tolerated on here pal!

#15 Parent San Migs - 2016-03-14
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Stating jewish is not racism. And I have nothing against jews anyway. You want to carry some white mans burden around with you, that is your choice.

#16 Parent paul fox - 2016-03-14
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Really?
He's just 'outed' himself as a racist?
Why is it that in the days of 'PC' no-one can DARE state a fact without being labelled a 'racist' ?
I was recently called a 'racist' because I DARED to say that Chinese people who purport to have 5000 years of culture have moved much farther than Australian Aboriginals who purport to have 40,000 years of 'culture'

How DARE I ?

#17 Parent Splunge - 2016-03-14
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Uh, of those three, only Marx was Jewish.

Lenin's grandmother was Jewish, but it seems he was unaware of that fact.

Again, pure racism on your part.

#18 Parent martin hainan - 2016-03-14
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It's not racist to call something an ideology belonging to a religion or race.

Please, pray tell, enlighten us as to which ideologies belong to, for instance, the Caucasian race, the Black race, and the Semite races.

#19 Parent San Migs - 2016-03-14
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That is what communism is, marx, engels and lenin. Bolsheviks killed 66 million.They make hitler look like an angel.

#20 Parent San Migs - 2016-03-14
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It's not racist to call something an ideology belonging to a religion or race. There were no anti semitic slurs intended, and I am against anti semitism by the by. I stand by Israel 100 % as I do Taiwan.

#21 Parent Splunge - 2016-03-14
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this jewish ideology

Holy crap, you just outted yourself as a racist!

#22 Parent martin hainan - 2016-03-14
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jewish ideology

I wish I maintained by ability to be surprised.

#23 Parent San Migs - 2016-03-13
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For arguments sake then, lets hear his opinion about Hong Kong, Macau (which I consider to be countries in their own right btw!) and Taiwan which is most definitely a country, no ifs or buts.

#24 Parent San Migs - 2016-03-13
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Some consider the CPC a cult, and would view their media outlets just the same as what you described. Youth peoples daily and so on. The former USSR and eastern europe abandoned this jewish ideology, let us see if contemporary china has the guts to do so. Taiwan, free and safe!!!!

#25 Parent Splunge - 2016-03-13
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Jeez, dude. He's merely pointing out that the sources you cited are as equally biased as the government mouthpieces.

How does that imply any opinion about Hong Kong, Taiwan or Macau.

Anyone who disagrees with you is a wumao? Is that it?

#26 Parent martin hainan - 2016-03-13
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I have those views on the F___ G___ organization (whose name apparently cannot be written on this site) for the same reason I have disparaging views of other cults that create media organizations to surreptitiously support their ideology in the guise of journalism.

My thinking on the sovereignty or non-sovereign status of any geographic region is unimportant. My comment was in support of credentialing published information.

#27 Parent San Migs - 2016-03-13
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It's your right to post, but as you are not Chinese or a CCP member, I just do not understand why you have the views on the alternative media that you do. I bet you think HK and Macau are not SAR's and that Taiwan isn't a country also, but it is!!!

#28 Parent John O'Shei - 2016-03-13
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More likely the case that such organizations are just smart enough to keep their mouth shut whilst the money rolls in.

As the Chinese economy slides, some expect that those that were willing to tolerate certain deficiencies in China would be more than likely to change their tune; whether that be politicians in regards to human rights, corporations in regards to doing business in China etc.

Chinese manufacturing as a whole has long been said to be rather inefficient, but those inefficiencies could be almost ignored thanks to low costs. As wages and other fixed costs rise, the benefits for Western manufacturers are disappearing. Plus, you know things are really bad when now, even some of the Chinese manufacturers are outsourcing and offshoring...

#29 Parent martin hainan - 2016-03-13
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Many established, credentialed corporate western media are eager to criticize China (partially because they are unable to make money in China: you don't hear Apple Corporation or the German auto industry openly critiquing China). Quoting [edited] media is either prejudicial, naive or both.

#30 Parent San Migs - 2016-03-12
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And? The SCMP, China Daily, are all CCP media. I'm sure you believe the chinese official when he says that there is nothing wrong with the internet in China, it's just the internet itself does not work that well. Pull the other one, it's got bloody bells on!!!!

#31 Parent martin hainan - 2016-03-12
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Epoch Times, China Uncensored, New Tang Dynasty, and Sound of Hope (comprising all the sources in this article) are all [edited] media.

San Migs - 2016-03-12
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And you thought the UK was bad with all of it's CCTV Cameras....pffftttt, mere foie gras compared to this:

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1989085-6-chinese-spy-programs-that-are-worse-than-big-brother-in-orwells-1984/

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