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#1 Parent PhD teacher - 2016-05-16
Re Faking relevance

Yes and about time!

There is still a huge gap between the supply-and-demand of FT's in China and this gap will undoubtedly widen when the new rules actually begin to have their effect.

This will mean that certain educational establishments will have to pay a higher salary in order to secure good quality teachers.

As it is now, universities want the better qualified teachers yet are only prepared to pay a pittance in salary in return for all the years of study and hard work that these highly qualified people have undergone.

By contrast, a 'deecher' in a training centre can earn 3 times as much.

My experience is that most Chinese universities don't want to attract quality teachers if it means paying more. The thing is this, most highly qualified teachers can get jobs in the West with pensions and long holidays, they don't have to slum it in China. The Chinese are only too well aware that they can only attract young sub-standards, or teachers past their best; worn down by alcohol or emotional problems. Seems to me that if you can earn three times as much in a training centre, then that's the way to go....if you can make the grade- and if that standard is as low as you suggest ,why, you'll stand out like a beacon of light.. I prefer state schools myself.

#2 Parent Paul Fox - 2016-05-15
Re Faking relevance

The days of Dancing FTs are numbered

Yes and about time!

There is still a huge gap between the supply-and-demand of FT's in China and this gap will undoubtedly widen when the new rules actually begin to have their effect.

This will mean that certain educational establishments will have to pay a higher salary in order to secure good quality teachers.

As it is now, universities want the better qualified teachers yet are only prepared to pay a pittance in salary in return for all the years of study and hard work that these highly qualified people have undergone.

By contrast, a 'deecher' in a training centre can earn 3 times as much.

#3 Parent amused - 2016-05-15
Re Faking relevance

I have never met an ESL teacher who has a degree in a language related subject

Understanding the world based solely on personal experiences begins at birth, but ends for most individuals when they learn to read.
As an EFL teacher, TESOL certified by a university, with an undergraduate degree in English, I am able to Teach integrated English language skills to Students of Other Languages. The FTs you "have met" at the expat bars and massage parlors routinely cannot.

Academics on this forum may be fully capable of explaining the mechanics as to WHY we never
say something such as 'I very like', but how important are those mechanics to an ESL student?

I would very much like to tell you the answer: non-native language students that desire to speak English correctly must acquire grammatical information concerning the use of adverbs with modal and non-modal verbs. Why? Even limited vocabularies create innumerable combinations of words; the "mechanics" are necessary to understand what combinations of sentence components are used to comprise native language speech and why.

You likely have the ability to speak your native language somewhat correctly. Dancing FTs in China model their own native language somewhat correctly while Chinese teachers provide students the necessary grammatical formations. An ESL/EFL certified teacher has the ability to provide that grammatical information.

This Dancing FT/ traditional Chinese PPT English lecturer model of education doesn't work very well. Chinese educational authorities recognize this and are changing regulations to limit Z visas to qualified FTs and provide improved language education skills to their own teachers.

The days of Dancing FTs are numbered.

#4 Parent paul fox - 2016-05-15
Re Faking relevance

The criteria for a fully qualified ESL teacher are a degree in a language-related subject
area, preferably English plus appropriate teacher training that would be recognized for
working as a teacher at public schools in your home country, normally a PGC/DE from a
recognized university.

I disagree. If you omit 'ESL' from the above sentence, then you are correct.

I have never met an ESL teacher who has a degree in a language related subject, and for me personally, I feel that going to a Uni to study ESL would be pointless; if you are going to go to the trouble of learning how to become a teacher, then learn how to become a teacher, and not restrict yourself to teaching ESL.

Incidentally, C.I.T.A is a UK-based organisation that continually monitors the performance of its members. (Consortium of International TESOL Accreditation)

A person such as yourself, highly educated in the subject of 'languages' per se, is certainly qualified to lecture on the structure of a language. However, linguistics bores me to death. I much prefer the subject of 'Etymology' - especially since English is essentially a 'pot pourri' of Latin, Germanic, and a whole host of other languages.

Back to ESL and the following comment is not directed at you personally. It may seem a little flippant or trite, but I think you will understand the reason why I say it -

Academics on this forum may be fully capable of explaining the mechanics as to WHY we never say something such as 'I very like', but how important are those mechanics to an ESL student?

Sure, grammar is extremely important but the chances are such that if a teacher tried to explain to an ESL school student WHY we do, (or don't do) something in English, they wouldn't understand the explanation anyway.

Sometimes, just for the sake of sanity it's better to use the Chinese saying - 'No Why'

And as for us non-academics here, if we want to know something about linguistics we can just ask you - right?

Oh, the power of the internet !

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