Curious
- 2017-03-19
This article is not about foreign students in US colleges, but I thought I would add it to this thread because it's a well written article by Devin Pope about how colleges can admit higher-quality students.
Nearly all colleges, for example, make use of two metrics to gauge student quality: cumulative high school grade point average and composite score on the ACT (the most widely taken college admissions exam). But research has shown that these metrics are imperfect: They are less predictive of student success than alternative measures that are equally simple to calculate and whose use would lead to a better incoming class.
Consider grade point average. Students whose overall G.P.A. is a result of doing better later in high school (say, junior and senior years) are much more likely to succeed in college than students with the same overall G.P.A. who did better early in high school (say, freshman and sophomore years).
By using the ACT composite score, college admissions offices are giving equal weight to each of the four subtests. But in a 2013 paper I wrote with the education researchers Eric Bettinger and Brent Evans, using data from public college students in Ohio, we provide evidence that the math and English subject tests are far more predictive of college success than the reading and science tests.
caring
- 2017-03-19
Not "any students" but students, who understand the language and culture, truly gain from the education. I really don't believe that so many students question this "Trump's visa vision"; however, I think many parents that sponsor their children and that hope to put their filthy roots into the new land are the ones who are so worried.Continued education overseas is a significant benefit for any student. It is unfortunate that Trump's 'visa vision' is causing students to question traveling to the U.S. to study.
That's your experience and the current local drive towards other international targets for the filthy expansion of empire.My students often choose Canada, England, Australia and New Zealand to pursue graduate education. In some ways these nations are a safer place for Chinese students to study now.
As blessed as those Americans may be in the land where core socialist values are in practice. This growing number of young Yankees is to learn how Marxism works in real life. Whether they "need to expand their parochial view of the world" to such an extent remains to be seen for our Chinatowns are enlarging and stock markets overflowing with rotten Chinese investments.Fortunately, increasingly large numbers of U.S. students come to China to study. As you suggest, foreign education benefits an individual's global perspective. U.S. citizens certainly need to expand their parochial view of the world.
TOEFL is mostly taught by Chinese experts in China, so the product will matter little. What may affect the FTs is the attitudes of locals that'll further reduce us to minimum as Chinese have connections in many places on Earth.I'm not so sure that U.S. barriers to immigration will have a significant impact on FTs in China. Perhaps those teachers that specialize in TOEFL and other tests for foreign college admissions will be impacted. Statistically, a very small percentage of Chinese college students matriculate at foreign universities for graduate study.
Yes, the questions. But that only if they can use the language well enough. Don't worry; even doctors are embarrassed sometimes.U.S.-citizen FTs in China, like myself, will certainly be dealing with many questions from our students about our homeland's bizarre President. These questions, like all topics of interest, are a teaching moment, albeit an embarrassing one.
caring
- 2017-03-19
Schools should be about the education rather business or passing of values.
Many FTs in China are mostly the tools for advertisement and students for money laundering opportunities of their parents. Both of them are as "qualified" as they come. FTs here have virtually no authority over their students acceptance to programs, performance evaluation in the courses or final decisions prior to the students graduations which are to indicate how those students qualify to go abroad. Since neither the foundation programs nor the US universities are affordable for common Chinese that truly work hard, the "passport to better education" is infested with ill prepared and spoiled rich kids that believe they have the right to do what they wish to do. Therefore, if the system scrutinizes Chinese applicants for abroad studies, it may be for an improvement.Just read that 40% of US colleges recently experienced a decrease in foreign applicants. This will have an impact on the work and treatment of FTs in Asia because many of our students are motivated to learn English in order to qualify for US colleges. They see us as their passport to better education, a chance to visit and experience America, and better job prospects when they return to their countries (or if they stay to work in America with H-1B visas).
Those students may have been the reason why local students' tuition fees have risen as well, so if they don't come our education may not get any more expensive than it has already. Moreover, our housing may not have to be so unreasonable and all the profitable eateries around unis so unhealthy.And it's also bad for US colleges and the US economy as foreign students (over 1 million last year) bring US$32B a year into the US economy.
Perhaps they will benefit; or, perhaps they'll follow to shake their corrupt systems too.Other countries will pull these students into their programs.
In the end, I foresee a retraction in the new policies for not "a loss of goodwill" but money and the "values". The dirty system is truly about sowing the seeds of American standards around the world.Overall, I predict that this retrenchment will also create a loss of goodwill towards America because I have yet to see better ambassadors of US values than returning students who enjoyed their stay at US colleges.
FTinPRC
- 2017-03-17
Continued education overseas is a significant benefit for any student. It is unfortunate that Trump's 'visa vision' is causing students to question traveling to the U.S. to study.
My students often choose Canada, England, Australia and New Zealand to pursue graduate education. In some ways these nations are a safer place for Chinese students to study now.
Fortunately, increasingly large numbers of U.S. students come to China to study. As you suggest, foreign education benefits an individual's global perspective. U.S. citizens certainly need to expand their parochial view of the world.
I'm not so sure that U.S. barriers to immigration will have a significant impact on FTs in China. Perhaps those teachers that specialize in TOEFL and other tests for foreign college admissions will be impacted. Statistically, a very small percentage of Chinese college students matriculate at foreign universities for graduate study.
U.S.-citizen FTs in China, like myself, will certainly be dealing with many questions from our students about our homeland's bizarre President. These questions, like all topics of interest, are a teaching moment, albeit an embarrassing one.
Just read that 40% of US colleges recently experienced a decrease in foreign applicants. This will have an impact on the work and treatment of FTs in Asia because many of our students are motivated to learn English in order to qualify for US colleges. They see us as their passport to better education, a chance to visit and experience America, and better job prospects when they return to their countries (or if they stay to work in America with H-1B visas).
And it's also bad for US colleges and the US economy as foreign students (over 1 million last year) bring US$32B a year into the US economy.
Other countries will pull these students into their programs.
Overall, I predict that this retrenchment will also create a loss of goodwill towards America because I have yet to see better ambassadors of US values than returning students who enjoyed their stay at US colleges.