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Yep, too bad for those Pattaya university students. I'll give everyone on here the heads up. There is quite a big market in the Chonburi area for Chinese learning, even though most Pattaya residents detest the Chinese. Still, they will use the Chinese to make money. Might be ok for a few hours a week private tuition. I would expect to be "rewarded" in a special way of course!

So, if you are a white guy in Pattaya who speaks Chinese you could do quite well I think. I have had several people approach me and ask me to teach them Chinese in my time there. If you have We Chat or Line it's easy to meet people if bars are not your thing.

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Yes, foreigners in China are also scared to criticize the government. I mean, they might have their visa cancelled and get deported! They would have to move to another Asian country. They might never see their precious wives again! It is so sad, lol!

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No, I have not looked for a teaching job in Pattaya, public school or otherwise. I think Pattaya is just for retired Western men and tourists. I don't want to teach there or do any sort of work there. As there are so many distractions and it would be impossible to concentrate. Another thing, why bother working when you could be having fun every day? Go out late, sleep in, have brunch, lie on the beach for a while, then about 3 pm head on down to Soi 6 for a few beers and pretty girls. Then hit the beer bars again about 7pm. That is the life.

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To give a balanced approach, I did work at university I liked in China for a few years. I returned there in 2014 and it was shit however.

The staff were friendly, plenty of girls asking to be my GF or even wife, never any talk about money. That was in 2010, 2011, 2012. I had a post-graduate student GF at my uni and the teachers there even said, "we are happy for you". I was getting offered heaps of extra work there for extra money but I only wanted to work three days a week.

There was no pressure, no stress, no bullshit. I'd just go and do the classes and then go out to a restaurant and later to the pub.

Then, all of a sudden, it was like a switch had been flicked. I think it was when the smart phones became really popular, young women became super materialistic at that time, along with the rest of the population. After that, all I was hearing was, "marry me, buy me a house, I need a car", etc. Got sick and tired of hearing it.

It is too late now, things will not go back to the 2007-2010 times. This new leader in China is well and truly fucking the place up.

BTW, what I said in my my previous post is all true. The negatives about China I mean.

I agree with most of what you say, but I do not wish to comment on political matters. However, you must realize that as an older foreigner, girls who want to befriend you may well be after your money or the chance of emigrating to Australia. I'm surprised how brash those girls were. In the north, they aren't like that!

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I've never breached my visa conditions in any country I've lived in. I've never overstayed. I have always worked and resided legally in other countries.

There is nothing for me in China now, it had simply "had it's day" as I hear many other former China ex-pats say.

No reason for me to work there now, I never relied on teaching money anyway. It is peanut money.

I know people who lived in China before in Wuhan, Nanning and Guilin They said they were "sick of pretending it's good".

They left. So did I. I am just not going to let an idiotic comment by someone about "fascinating culture" slide.

That's why I picked out China's faults. If you want to find fault with what will soon be my permanent home, Thailand,
please go ahead. At this stage I can't see any negatives.

I'll go ahead. Let's talk positive, for the sake of thrifty garden FTs currently teaching at public Chinese universities. Can those FTS save and prosper to the same or to a greater extent in Thailand while teaching around 15 clock hours a week at public universities in rent-free accommodation? Is all of Thailand safe for westerners? How many vacancies are there in Thailand for public university FTs compared to China?

Is the supply and demand situation for such jobs weighted towards job applicants due to lack of interest from job applicants? Can a garden FT get university job offers easily throughout Thailand? Have you sought a public university/college teaching post in Pattaya?

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In fact, I agree with you to a certain extent. Yes, if I was still in China chasing women I'd say my chances of snagging a twenty something are close to zero unless I was to spend a shitload of money. I'm 48. I think I'd be flat out attracting any woman under about 34. My former model looks don't cut it anymore. I know it. In Thailand it's different, big age gaps are normal there. A handsome 50 year old can still attract a pretty 27 year old Thai gal. One day in 2014 a 54 year old friend of mine with a thick Irish accent said to me, "Shaun, it just dawned upon me that I'm too fucking old" . "Too old to attract women in China anymore". Now he actually was quite happy in China". He left in 2015 .Apart from a lack of women in China and the better weather in Thailand I doubt he would have left. He was from Ireland, a cold country anyway. He had been in China for ten years. I don't blame him for leaving .Most men want love and sex and don't want to be alone. As for me, I am not interested in women over 35, or 38 would be my upper limit. So in that respect, at 48 I have passed my use by date in China. I can't attract early thirties women in China anymore. I always have a Plan B though, women in Thailand don't care about my age. I don't need Chinese women anymore.

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To give a balanced approach, I did work at university I liked in China for a few years. I returned there in 2014 and it was shit however.

The staff were friendly, plenty of girls asking to be my GF or even wife, never any talk about money. That was in 2010, 2011, 2012. I had a post-graduate student GF at my uni and the teachers there even said, "we are happy for you". I was getting offered heaps of extra work there for extra money but I only wanted to work three days a week.

There was no pressure, no stress, no bullshit. I'd just go and do the classes and then go out to a restaurant and later to the pub.

Then, all of a sudden, it was like a switch had been flicked. I think it was when the smart phones became really popular, young women became super materialistic at that time, along with the rest of the population. After that, all I was hearing was, "marry me, buy me a house, I need a car", etc. Got sick and tired of hearing it.

It is too late now, things will not go back to the 2007-2010 times. This new leader in China is well and truly fucking the place up.

BTW, what I said in my my previous post is all true. The negatives about China I mean.

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Well, you have not changed at all. Still arrogant as ever, haha!

Are you one of those "red dwarfs" Taffs spoke about? Your energy slowly dwindling away, hehe!

I prefer to be a supernova, it's more my style.

"one of the most fascinating cultures out there" .............wtf! Yep, greed, corruption, environmental destruction, total censorship of the media, severe restrictions on the movement of your own people, brainwashing a population into thinking that marriage is important just so it's easier to control them. What else, yes, beating up women and jailing them for organizing women's rights marches, "shaming" prostitutes in public, "block wardens" looking in rubbish bins to see if women have had their periods. I wonder how many other things I can come up with?

Oh, I know, people pissing and shitting in the street, spitting everywhere, barking like dogs into their mobile phones.

It's all very "fascinating", LOL!

I say well done Dean, you worked out what China is like very quickly, unlike some head in the sand, "shhh, don't offend anyone" PC posters out there.

Silverboy, we know from your posts that you have become a China hater. We wonder why it took you 8 continuous years of teaching in China to morph into such an extreme critic of China. Could it be that you had gotten yourself into serious trouble with Chinese immigration and as a result can no longer obtain a Chinese Z visa?

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I like very much your description of the culture :o)

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You nailed it.

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Students pretend to be students

Teachers pretend to be teachers

And you? Pretending to have the ability to discern and yet failing miserably will get you labeled, too. You may never hear said label or labels or have them directed at you in writing, but they're there. And they're there because, well, it's pretty obvious that you're an ass with a shallow mind who shouldn't have been in China anyway. Your personal agenda had nothing to do with helping Chinese students or improving your mind through exposure to one of the most fascinating cultures out there.

So there's your label: a shallow minded ass

But feel not alone; the internet is rife with your shallow minded brethren. You'll be alright. Just get a little education and a whole lot more sophistication and you'll do just fine. Meanwhile, enjoy your label.

Oh, by the way, I do agree with you about pretend teachers. There are a lot of them in China, but the weeding process is under way. Enjoy it.

Oh, and kudos for figuring China out so quickly during your short stay. There are scholars who've spent a life time on such an endeavor who will tell you that they'd need another lifetime to come close to understanding it all. So, yeah, well done..............Not.

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Yeah, right, As if Chinese employers have any morals. At Chinese universities nobody really gives a shit who you are banging. As for banging one's own students however, it is generally seen as being a bit unprofessional in most places. It is not a moral issue however, neither is prostitution for that matter. In China marriage is mostly prostitution anyway.

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If you are happy there then good for you. I was not so I left. Even if I was happy in some way there I would have left. The weather and pollution in China is more than enough to turn many people off. I finally realized after 8 years that there was nothing for me in China. So many of my my friends had left and gone elsewhere. All of the ex-pat venues had closed down, no customers. The pink light districts are almost non-existent. Picking up regular girls in bars and students whilst still possible had become more difficult. Then a friend of mine suggested Pattaya, the utopia of Asia. I have wondered why I wasted so much time in China. A friend of mine with a Chinese wife told me he would go straight to Pattaya if he had his time over again. If you want to toot the horn for China and it's shitty government and (mostly ) shitty women, be my guest.

Each to their own sense of happiness and pursuit thereof.

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It's ok to "bang many chicks" as long as they are not your own students. Fucking one's own students is really not right , even in a country like China with pretend universities, pretend teachers and pretend students.

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2000 rmb in nothing. I used to spend that in less than a fortnight just on food, beer, and taxis. If someone is living in China and can't even afford a 2000 rmb fine they should not be living there.

It's not about a foreign teacher being able to afford the fine or not. It's about avoiding the possibility of being fined by obeying the visa regulations. Better he/she has that money to spend as he/she sees fit than it being in the hands of the police.

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Ha ha ha

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Said universities have excellent reputations within China, and that's wot counts!
It doesn't matter a damn if they don't have stellar reputations in the west.

I don't think it counts. China can't ever have decent universities, nor can it be a really
decent society. It is because of the government there and the indoctrination of the
people.

China's decent enough to provide rent-free accommodation and salaries substantial enough to allow its thrifty FTs to save much money. generally and relatively speaking. They shouldn't bite the hand that feeds them. I get more freedom here than I would back home because of my financial status here.

A society that is based upon oppression and fear can't be great. If China was a democracy and
an open society where people could freely express their ideas and opinions I would have
a different view of China.

I don't need to live in a great society to be happy. Much of politics is crap in my view. I'm not interested in it to any great extent. For many FTs in China, the pros outweigh the cons. That's why they're still here, unlike you.

Big yawn!

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I agree, fear is never a good foundation.

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2000 rmb in nothing. I used to spend that in less than a fortnight just on food, beer, and taxis. If someone is living in China and can't even afford a 2000 rmb fine they should not be living there.

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Yes, it makes a lot of sense.

It is of the utmost importance that Chinese universities preserve their excellent reputations. Foreign teachers have a duty to their employers to maintain the status quo by conducting themselves in an exemplary fashion within and outwith the university campus on Chinese soil at all times.
Well there you are, Silverboy, it makes a lot of sense to our Trumpsey and ex-pat-Hubby lends his considerable weight to her that Chinese universities do not compromise their stellar reputations. Wot do you think?

Said universities have excellent reputations within China, and that's wot counts! It doesn't matter a damn if they don't have stellar reputations in the west.

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About your friend and the chastity belt: It sounds unbelievable. Was it in 1982, or is he doing it these days? You mean, he puts the chastity belt on his wife before he leaves on a trip????

He wasn't working away at all then but we have kept in contact. Island folk can be....unusual- and that belt is true. No carriers were sunk. Lots of Whales were sunk being mistaken for submarines.

Off to the park with the girl- she makes friends so easily

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Local authorities see your trolling term "backpackers" as a threat to national security.

If you choose not to stay at a Chinese foreigner-approved hotel, but at a Chinese friend's home in an area that is not covered by your residence permit,you are obliged to register with the local police within 24 hours. If you don't do so, and you are found out, you'll be fined.

Hard to imagine that a country which has opened its borders and joined the international community (UN, WTO, ASEAN etc.) may have designated hotels for foreign guests and/or may have hotels that refuse to check in people with non-Chinese passports. Anyhow, my Residence Permit is NOT for one specific location but the whole nation. However the visa sticky states where it's been issued, it does NOT suggest that I should stay in one place. Get it through your thick skull that this is about hassling outsiders who pose an imminent danger to local communities and that this is about controlling locals who know little about the world except of what they are told at home.

Incidentally, being a backpacker doesn't preclude you from being a professional teacher. Nor does your being a weekend tripper.

So, professionals and/or business people, who have their valid permits to the nation, have to stay put in order not to spread their culture or compete with local businesses. One breed that can sow the seeds of development at home and abroad is not supposed to allow other breeds to do the same. Does this sound like a true globalization?

Conclusively, our governments should look at the Chinese who roam our nations, so that our national security and perhaps identity are intact. To globalize we must follow the trend.

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The ability to collect data about FTs in China in a central location has certainly improved. The question is: who cares about FT behavior?

If there is a reason to scrutinize a particular FT now, the information is available. For the general 'blokes' (I've been reading to many Taffy posts) I'm not sure it makes any difference until you cross the border.

In a dozen years in China I was contacted only once by the police. Hu Jintao was visiting a resort hotel during the Boao Forum and I had booked a room in an adjoining hotel. The police wanted the telephone number of my employer. The hotel gave them my passport number and they were able to locate my cellphone number.

Maybe they bugged my room, in which case they were sorely disappointed, in several ways.

If you are a FT missionary raising funds for North Korea maybe you are at risk. I cannot imagine any CIA agent willing to go undercover as a FT teacher in Wall Street English in Chaoyang.

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The Hermes was an old carrier but a very good one. In the modern vernacular 'it so didn't sink' and it ended up being sold to the Indian navy I believe where it remained in service I believe until this year or last year. I think they laid the keel in the 1940's, like The Belgrano which served with the USA. Of course it had a bad end and was sunk by a British nuclear submarine when in service with the Argentinians. Anyway the object of the post-

I was wondering how many of our posteresses would not be too proud to wear one of these reassuring articles while in China if they have a boyfriend back home in USA?

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Better to just take a risk and get fined IMO. Having to register at a police station within 24 hours is ridiculous. I only registered once in my entire time in China, in 2015, and I was not always living on a university campus.

This is 2017, not 2015. The risk of being found out may well be much higher these days. When FTs currently employed in China, signed their contracts, they agreed to obey China's laws. So they should follow them to the letter. So should you, Silverboy if you were still teaching in China.

Once a policewoman came to my privately rented flat in Nanning and asked me if a woman was living with me. I was a bit pissed off, it's none of her business. I was living alone at the time, but a few months earlier my GF was living with me.
Strangely enough, I always found university campuses in China the best place to bring girls back to your flat. Nobody cared, and I was very open about it.

For security reasons, and to live rent-free near the classrooms, I always felt privileged living on campus. And I didn't mind gate curfews as I was not a person who enjoyed hanging out in bars or dancing the night away, unlike Silverboy.

It's probably better to not have a girlfriend living with you because it queers your pitch if you unexpectedly bump into another bit of skirt you want to be free to bring back.

No comment, Taffy. Each to their own. If I had one girl following me, that was enough for me!

As for the police- I think they size you up when you initially visit them and if they think you look trouble they will visit you- well one told me that.

Taffy, they are obliged to check out your accommodation and rental contract/house purchase contract when you apply for your Residence Permit or change your address. I don't mind them turning up here at any time as I've nothing to hide.

What it can amount to for many of us is no less than being under 'House Arrest' Sod that for a game of soldiers. If you put up with that you have no self-respect.

Taffy, you exaggerate. Hardly 'house arrest'! You can explore your county. You can bus it to neighboring counties without having to show your passport. However, boarding a train, even just for a short provincial train ride, requires passport inspection at the train station in advance.

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We're fine except times when my kids have to see/hear their dad's "different". Visiting PSB so often raises questions "why not me but you dad?"

Three kids and a Chinese wife, must be hell on earth.

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A retainer
Like lawyers ;o)
LOL

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A friend of mine from Australia who lived in China agrees with you. He said he only wants his girl to visit him twice a week, do some cooking, clean up the house a bit and have sex with him.

He said he hates a woman living full time with him.

Twice a week she stays, arrives at 7 pm, is gone by 9 am the next morning. Then you can go out for steak and beers with the boys for lunch and hit the cocktail bar later. Yep, that is the only way to go. And then, like you said, if you meet another little filly that takes your fancy you can bring her back on a different night.

I prefer Pattaya though, can have whatever you like whenever you like with zero stress.

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Better to just take a risk and get fined IMO. Having to register at a police station within 24 hours is ridiculous. I only registered once in my entire time in China, in 2015, and I was not always living on a university campus.

Once a policewoman came to my privately rented flat in Nanning and asked me if a woman was living with me. I was a bit pissed off, it's none of her business. I was living alone at the time, but a few months earlier my GF was living with me.

Strangely enough, I always found university campuses in China the best place to bring girls back to your flat. Nobody cared, and I was very open about it.

It's probably better to not have a girlfriend living with you because it queers your pitch if you unexpectedly bump into another bit of skirt you want to be free to bring back.

As for the police- I think they size you up when you initially visit them and if they think you look trouble they will visit you- well one told me that.

What it can amount to for many of us is no less than being under 'House Arrest' Sod that for a game of soldiers. If you put up with that you have no self-respect.

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Three kids and a Chinese wife, must be hell on earth.

Hahaha! But he must have a good sperm count for an old codger. I was put on a 24 hour schedule for months just to produce one baby. I bet he hobbles around with a walking stick now.

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Better to just take a risk and get fined IMO. Having to register at a police station within 24 hours is ridiculous. I only registered once in my entire time in China, in 2015, and I was not always living on a university campus.

Once a policewoman came to my privately rented flat in Nanning and asked me if a woman was living with me. I was a bit pissed off, it's none of her business. I was living alone at the time, but a few months earlier my GF was living with me.

Strangely enough, I always found university campuses in China the best place to bring girls back to your flat. Nobody cared, and I was very open about it.

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If you choose not to stay at a Chinese foreigner-approved hotel, but at a Chinese friend's home in an area that is not covered by your residence permit, you are obliged to register with the local police within 24 hours. If you don't do so, and you are found out, you'll be fined.

Incidentally, being a backpacker doesn't preclude you from being a professional teacher. Nor does your being a weekend tripper.

Ah yes, 'backpacker' you think of as pretty pure pursuit; sadly it's become a sort of dysphemistic expression they got hooked on when aiming to insult. You are quite right being a backpacker not only doesn't preclude you from being a teacher, it more likely means you have some academic qualifications. I bet our trumpsey steamed into China twenty years ago with a haversack, pink hair and ripped jeans- we should ask her?

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What "potential trouble" are you talking about? I am no "backpacker" but a professional teacher with three kids and a local wife. My family travels around when we want to have fun, when my wife goes on a business trip or when one of my kids plays formal tournaments in other local cities. We truly are busy and we have to travel to places in the country more often than others perhaps.

you bacpacker types and seekend trippers should follow the rules to avoid potential trouble.

If you choose not to stay at a Chinese foreigner-approved hotel, but at a Chinese friend's home in an area that is not covered by your residence permit, you are obliged to register with the local police within 24 hours. If you don't do so, and you are found out, you'll be fined.

Incidentally, being a backpacker doesn't preclude you from being a professional teacher. Nor does your being a weekend tripper.

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Their "excellent reputations". Yeah, right! ROTFL!

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Foreigners have to report to local police stations where they are registered, if they wish to
travel from their to another Chinese location.

For over 8 years I have been informed by University FAO departments that this is the case. Like most Chinese 'laws' implementation varies by province and city. I suspect that the University's 'relationship' with local police is the primary determiner of FAO paranoia.
If you do travel in China and are staying at 4 or 5 star hotels, your location is logged into the police database at check-in. If you are leaving China for a few days to experience, say, the carnal pleasures of Thailand, your exit/entry activity is logged at the airport or border.
Universities in China are very concerned about notoriety in any form. They will often tell FTs that they are "concerned for their safety" when in actuality they are worried that your exploits in China will make the University famous on Weibo.

Yes, it makes a lot of sense.

It is of the utmost importance that Chinese universities preserve their excellent reputations. Foreign teachers have a duty to their employers to maintain the status quo by conducting themselves in an exemplary fashion within and outwith the university campus on Chinese soil at all times.

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Another reason not to live in China if that really is the case. So it is truly a police state. I've also said before that marriage is promoted in China because tight knit family units that are strictly monitored are much easier to control than de-facto couples and singles. That is what marriage is all about in China. Not because Chinese women have "good morals" or are "traditional", that's all BS!

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caring - 2017-04-24
Foreigners have to report to local police stations where they are registered, if they wish to travel from their to another Chinese location. This rule has been mandated in some Chinese locations and FTs have been told to have to report their intentions to travel even for a day or two at weekends. Once FTs return, they are to report back again. The control over foreigners is tightening for varieties of reasons and so be aware of where you are or where you intend to go.

Good information, Caring. I certainly wouldn't be prepared to put up with that nonsense; anybody would thing we are dangerous Muslims. All depends how rigidly they implement- and it doesn't look good-be better off to teach elsewhere- let them get their English teachers from Eastern Europe and Africa-sod them! I do suspect we all are paying for the unpredictable Muslims. China can't very well say, we have a law for them and a law for others.