I happen to believe that prostitution is not always a horrendous crime against women. If they are not being coerced, imprisoned or assaulted, women have the right to use their body in any way they choose. Men that patronize these women in a non-violent way do not disturb my liberal moral sensibility.

The great majority of women in the Western world, however, view 'johns' with contempt, be they in Pattaya or Perth or Pittsburgh.

SB, I believe if you read my posts you will find that I am communicating my personal beliefs and perspectives.

I do not believe that I fully understand men or women. And as I have said many times, I support every individual's right to live the life of his or her choosing. I wish you joy in yours.

I recently shared my observations of the physical characteristics, fashion choices and street behavior of the many white men that I observed in central Bangkok. I do not suggest that this comprises all the white men in Bangkok or Thailand or South East Asia. I have no idea about the financial status of these gentlemen.

Mr. Patato Head wrote about the feelings of 'White Women' when they observe interracial couples in South East Asia.

I think he is mistaken.

What women like PR/FTC don't understand is that men make lifestyle choices, often regardless of wealth and perceived "status" in the West.

Yes, all white men in Bangkok are losers, the stereotype. They are there because they "can't get a woman in their own country". There are Australian men in Bangkok for example worth millions of dollars, beneficiaries of the economic boom in OZ from 2002-2009 who prefer to just bang 2000
rmb bar girls instead of marrying Thai gals.

Most men in Pattaya are divorced and often retired or semi-retired, they are not interested in serious relationships, certainly not marriage for fuck's sake!
Sure, a lot of them are old, bald, lazy and fat, but who gives a fuck? They are living the dream, and a lot of them have money to burn and have a good life by being SINGLE!
MGTOW's, and they fuckin' love it!

There is one Aussie in Pattaya with a net worth of over 100 million dollars who bangs 1300 rmb bar girls by night and feeds stray dogs by day.
I wonder how someone like FT in PRC can explain that?

This bloke is in late forties, fit, he could marry any woman he wants, but he chose to be an MGTOW and live in Pattaya.

I don't blame him. It is because white women in Western countries have nothing to offer white Western men these days.

Really, what can they offer us? Money? No, we can make lot's of money ourselves. Love? We don't need them for that either. Sex? Well, FUCK ME DEAD, Pattaya fucking wins hands down in that department!
Cooking? We can learn that ourselves if we want, and Thai gals are FIFTY TIMES better at both cooking and sex.

Yes, during the day you will not see us outstanding global alcoholic citizens, lol, not till after lunchtime anyway.

Sleeping till 11.15 am, then out having lunch, then lying on the beach ( I prefer Jomtien/Naklua area ), 3.30, maybe get a taxi over to Soi 6 for a few afternoon beers, 6 pm, dinner near Soi Honey maybe, then hit the bars at LK Metro, find some hot babes. This is the life, not spending all your hard earned cash on some useless Chinese bird.

I love Birkenstocks,, but Timberland shorts, Raybans, fuck that. Gotta admit there are SOME FUCKED FASHIONS on display by Western men in Bangkok and Pattaya.

My attire of choice in Pattaya is Birkenstocks ( Arizona is great ) the black ones with the white stripe also good.

The Arizona now has the white stripe also. An ample supply of XXL white T-shirts ( I'm XL but I buy one size up ) Stone wash denim shorts, I have seven pairs, and also several pairs of similar jeans in case you wanna go to Marine Disco or Insomnia or 808, there are some hot fucking girls in there believe me!

Now, watches. Pattaya guys should have a decent fucking watch. A good Citizen Eco-Drive ( about 300 AUD ) or a Seiko Sapphire in the 350-600 AUD range. Seiko is good, they are a classy watch.

I want to get an Omega, but the idea of paying cash for a very expensive Omega right now sort of irks me, so I will put aside 150 dollars a week for that and buy it in a few months time.

It's best to look simple and elegant. Clean shaven. Pattaya gals like this.

Whatever makes them feel better, nothing wrong with living in denial, I suppose.

Caucasian women that observe expats in SE Asia paired with local Asian women have two emotional responses: a sigh of relief that they are not with him and an empathetic shake of the head for the unfortunate young woman.

Hey! You got the "that's sad" from donald trump. He says that every time he reads a mainstream newspaper. Sad!!!

If you marry in a Western country 2017 you can easily lose EVERYTHING you will have worked so hard for in the not so distant future, just like many men have in the recent past.

If you have kids you are really in the shit.

Boo hoo. But the truth lies beyond the occasional bitter anectdote that some men use to justify
their bias against marriage and their sweeping generalities that are not formed empirically.

Men v. Women: Who Does Better in a Divorce?
by Corie Lynn Rosen

While the walk down the aisle ends in marital bliss for many couples, for an equal number the end of the aisle is a place far, far away from happily ever after. People who divorce often do so in eager anticipation of reclaiming their lost independence, forgotten autonomy and an identity lost during the course of the marriage.

Upon divorce, a couple's marital property, property acquired by the two during the course of their marriage, is divided up according to the applicable state law. Parties may divide and settle their property 50/50 or in some other arrangement depending upon the given laws. The hope is that the parties are treated fairly.

But even in a situation where all the assets are divided 50/50, divorced women may find that a seemingly fair settlement is still far from equitable. Women are typically awarded custody of the children. Because our predominant social values suggest that children are best situated with their mothers, women often do the lion's share of child rearing in divorced families, even in shared custody cases.

Any parent who has ever fought a custody battle knows that child care responsibilities are a privilege, not a burden. Unfortunately, most divorce settlements fail to account for the damaged future earning potential of a woman with child care responsibilities. Since mothers usually take some time away from their careers, and since women still earn slightly less than men, it is fair to say that most women, even prior to divorce, have lower earning power than their male spouses.

The problem of lower earning power is exacerbated by child care responsibilities. They reduce a woman's available work hours, thereby making it more difficult for her to increase her income through promotions, client cultivation and so forth. This marked reduced earning capacity is not factored into a divorce, since settlements focus on dividing marital property.

Ultimately, the overall economic quality of a man's life, based on earnings and amount spent on living expenses, increases after his divorce. He continues to earn more but bears fewer family expenses. The overall economic quality of a woman's life, post-divorce, decreases.

Of course, both parents are expected and legally required to contribute to the cost of raising their children, but the law still does not provide a mechanism to compensate a woman for the earning potential she has lost based on her decisions to marry and have children. Women often opt for careers that they feel will be more conducive to motherhood, working lower paying jobs because of the fewer hours they require.

A difficulty in reforming marital property laws to compensate these women lies in the fact that many women, even in today's modern world, make career decisions based almost entirely on their family plans. Thus, a college professor who might have become a successful businesswoman had her family plans been different, has no way to show a court her lost earning potential. Her decision to take a lower paying job cannot be weighed by the court, since there is no real evidence of material economic damage.

The objective of a divorce court is to give each party what he or she fairly deserves based on their earnings during marriage. It is next to impossible to factor the broad social pressures that shape women's career decisions into a given divorce settlement.

Legal scholars must either find a way to assess the lost earning power of the female spouse, or women as a collective must find a way to have their families and make honest career decisions too. The Medieval Period may be long gone from our history, but there are still some remnants of the dark age of divorce law at work in our courts today.

I'm indicating that I'm aware of this and that a double entendre was not my intent.

That's all fine and dandy, but it's not what "sic" is used for. It's for quotations.

We write "no pun intended" in your case.

sexuality is at its most powerful and climactic when coupled [sic] with intimacy and commitment

Why the "[sic]"?

Were you quoting something with some error?

I know men in my neighborhood who extremely wealthy ( on paper ) and married. They may appear to be happy but they envy the freedom MGTOW"s like me have. Marriage = no freedom and no flexibilty.

These men are controlled by their wives. Their wealth is also imaginary as it could all be taken away rapidly if the wife gets bored all of a sudden or wants someone with even more money. They could lose their luxury property and expensive car on a whim, according to the wife's attitude at the time. If they suddenly lose their earning potential, if they get sick, if the business fails, the wife will be gone.

Men are actively discriminated against at divorce time, the family court is also only for the benefit of women.

I will give you another example of a woman's attitude: If a woman has a low paying job like being a waitress, especially if she is pretty, nobody will say, "why don't you get a better job and improve yourself", nobody will ridicule her or disparage her.

Now, reverse this scenario: A woman has a boyfriend who is a waiter: Now, in the rare case they she might actually love him, her friends will say, "you can do better", "what are you doing with that loser" ?? etc. She will will dump him because of pressure from her friends and relatives. It makes no difference how fit or handsome he is.

This sort of thing is happening every day.

I know for a fact that good looks are of virtually zero advantage to a man unless he can get modelling work.

A British guy I know told me that he wanted to lose ten kilograms to make himself more attractive to Chinese women. I said WHY do you want to pander to THEIR wishes?

I then explained to him that they just want money anyway, they don't care if he is a bit fat. Being good looking and slim is of zero advantage to men in China.

Some guys never learn!

I have lived in Thailand before and my ex wife is Thai so I think I know a fair bit about this. You really need to define exactly what prostitution is. If a man is buying many meals and gifts for a woman and he later sleeps with her that really is a form of prostitution ( it happens very often in China for example )

It is weird how in many societies if a man buys a woman a car or gifts and sleeps with her that's not prostitution, but if he gives her cash it is.

You also do not understand a place like Pattaya either I think. There are all sorts of people living there. For many women there sex is their job, but it is common for a woman there to like a foreigner just because he is kind or handsome or funny. That is when a bar girl can become a GF. Many of them will go with you for free if they really like you. A Chinese woman will NEVER do this!

The difference is that having a GF in Pattaya, or even "hiring" a girl for two months, costs NOTHING LIKE what a GF or wife in the West will cost!

For men in the West, if you divorce you risk losing everything. You could end up in you late 40's or 50's living in a rented one bedroom flat struggling to make ends meet, or worse, living on the street.

Are you going to try to tell me this never happens? It does happen, it happens a lot!

My advice to young men: Work hard when you are young, save as much money as you can. Do not marry. When you are 40 you will have a house paid off, a rental property, a nice car that you own, and plenty of money to travel around. Move to SE-Asia, do not stay in the shitty West when you are older.

I am lucky that I still own two properties and have cash in the bank. I can afford to fly all over Asia. I can afford to buy nice watches and shoes. However, if I had not married I'd have an extra 270,000 dollars in the bank right now. Fuck, I could have bought a block of land with that at the time I divorced! It pisses me off every time I think about it!

He also talks about paying bar
girls to be a short term GF's for one or two months. Once again, great advice!

There are girl friends and then there are working girls that provide a 'girl friend experience'.

If you are paying cash to a woman to spend time with you and to have sex with you, she is not a girl friend, as that term is understood by the vast majority of the English speaking population.

Before you explain once again that all relationships involve expenses and that marriage is much more expensive than prostitution, I am not arguing the financial computations. And I am not suggesting that you should not be free to choose such a relationship. I am distinguishing between genuine mutual affection as opposed to a cash for service transaction. If you do not see the distinction, I assure you that most people do.

Individuals that are sharing friendship, respect, responsibility and intimacy recognize that they are experiencing something that is priceless.

Silverboy, I do hope that you have had that experience and that you will once again.

You met a Japanese woman in Pattaya, SB?

There are hundreds, thousands of similar stories like that one. It is very sad. I feel sorry for your brother.

Yes, he worked hard for so long and look what happened. It is really an outrage. Yes, I have heard in the USA that some women have even been able to get access to to future pensions after divorce.

I will tell you how I came across this MGTOW stuff: I was searching online about Bangkok and Pattaya and by accident I came across this Australian guy from Brisbane (my home city ) who spends a lot of time in Thailand ( mostly Bangkok ) and Vietnam and he also did videos on Hong Kong and Singapore. He posts on You Tube.

He is a crude guy, lots of filthy and vulgar language, but his videos are really just commonsense, wise, and also the way he speaks is quite hilarious. His name on You Tube is "Archie Luxury" and he has quite a following on You Tube, not just in Australia but also in the USA.

What you said happened to your brother is exactly the thing he talks about on his videos. His videos should be compulsory viewing for all young white men in the USA, Australia, Canada, UK, and New Zealand. He gives examples of men who have been financially and emotionally devastated, not just in Australia but also in the USA.

If you marry in a Western country 2017 you can easily lose EVERYTHING you will have worked so hard for in the not so distant future, just like many men have in the recent past.

If you have kids you are really in the shit.

Some of the stories about what happens to Western men in their forties and fifties is disturbing indeed! In one video he also talks about how the West is "fucked" for men over 50 and how these men should move to SE-Asia. He also talks about paying bar girls to be a short term GF's for one or two months. Once again, great advice!

In another video he talks about the astronomical cost of living in Brisbane and other Australian cities. You could extrapolate to many US and UK cities also.

All in all, this bloke really fucking knows knows what he's talking about!

Marriage is the biggest fucking scam ever and is institutionalized theft!

What young child would wish that her parents were not married? Marriage is for the nurturing of children.

Not everyone should birth or father children, but almost everyone can and almost everyone does. Most modern societies attempt to 'normalize' the distribution of property and wealth during divorce in an attempt to protect the interests of children.

For thousands of years women were held captive to their husbands in patriarchal societies as hostages to protect the interests of the father's bloodline.

I am willing to entertain the notion that some western societies have legislated modern marital laws that are unduly repressive of the father's interests.

Against the historical background of the abuse of marital power, however, this 'maldistribution' of marital assets that unfortunately decreases hubby's prostitution-purchasing-power in his golden years is, in my view, a small blip that emits the sweet scent of justice.

Here is a little anecdotal evidence. My brother worked his ass off for 35 years in a factory making tires for Michelin. His wife took him for everything plus half his pension. He currently lives in a trailer park, broke and miserable. What a waste. Hear hear! Silverboy, Hear hear!

There is a new thing called the MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way. Here in feminazi driven Australia men have finally had enough. Smart men have finally realized they don't need white Western women.

We will no longer give in to their idiotic and over the top demands. We will keep all our money for ourselves, spend all our disposable income on ourselves, protect our assets from conniving bitches who behave like corporate raiders. The institutionalized scam called marriage which only benefits women shall be the subject of mass boycotts. A woman will no longer get 75-80 per cent of a man's assets when they decide he is no longer useful to to her and she wants a divorce. The man will no longer pay child support that should be half a wife's responsibility.

If we need sex or companionship we will just have short term ( under six month ) Asian GF's or bang hookers in Asian countries. Or get a dog.

"Men need to start looking at women like cheeseburgers". "You gobble up one and enjoy the nice juicy meal and then you throw the fucking wrapper in the garbage bin where it belongs".

"You should only enjoy women in the present and then get another one when you feel hungry". No long term, certainly NO FUCKING MARRIAGE!

Marriage is the biggest fucking scam ever and is institutionalized theft!