Meibi it is better tu bi en ediot than tu bi frustrated! Ai reaalli du edmair maiself in mai excelelnt weh of righting Inglish - es the idiot that Ai obviusly em!

Funny, but my students did and they said you are a hopeless case.

End.

....and who asked you ?

It probably is because she's Asian that she is treated differently. As soon as somebody starts pushing their bets by playing the race card, the whole thing gets ugly. If you walk into my office and tell me I should hire you because you are Asian, or in spite of being Asian, I'll tell you to get lost. If you walk into my office and tell me I should hire you instead of somebody else because you have a better education, better training, more experience and you are more professional, you'll be at the top of the list--as long as you can back it all up.

Something that it seems most responders to the thread have forgotten is that employers in China are not restricted in hiring whom they want. If they want to hire blonde haired, blue eyed white folks from where ever it is they came from, they can, and they can certainly ignore the rest. It's entirely up to them. The employers and students are the ones that decide who is a native speaker, and who is not. If they decide they want an English speaker from a western country, with a neutral accent, it's their perogative to find and hire them. If they want to be suspicious of an Asian's accent that it may not be authentic, even if they are 4th, 5th, 6th generation Asian American from California, well it's their loss. Especailly if they decide to go with a loser white guy that's never had a legit job before and just playing teacher so he can see the world. They aren't any more useful to an employer or group of students than is the Asian that speaks English as a second language at a mostly competent level. How useful is a Filipino in an adult conversational English classroom when the book has lessons about--and the students have questions about--life in America or Europe and the teacher says "I don't know.....I've never been there. I'm from the Phillipines."

The whole discussion is really rather ridiculous. There's Asians that are stamping their feet demanding respect as teachers, but can't write effectively--even internet forum posts. On the one hand, they complain about how poorly they are treated when they do get jobs, and quit. Then they complain about being passed over for other jobs in lieu of a white girl from God knows where. And if their English is so smashing, why not just get a job in their own home town and probably live at least as good of a lifestyle as the fancy ESL teacher? And the Americans and Brits and Canadians and whomever else are all uppity and defensive because why? Because you have somebody that doesn't measure up to your standards working next to you? Jeesh, that just makes you look better. The only problem is that you have to pick up their classes when they get canned or leave town in the middle of the night. It's all just a bunch of office politics, and nobody even works with each other! How pathetic.

No jibes at all in what I said - just the truth, which is more than can be said of your silly, childish reply. I am no "great grammarian" - I don't need to be to say that your English is no good. I am competent and you are not and I think I need say no more than that

"Capitalisation" is the British spelling of that word. The version "Capitalization" is uniquely American. "American" English is not true English as it deviates from the English upon which it is based.

Get your facts straight and it may help you to make less of a fool of yourself than you have already done.

Incidentally I am not racist at all, it is you who sounds more racist than everyone else in the thread. I simply recognise that Asians who speak English, no matter how technically well (or badly - like you) - simply do not have the English culture necessary for a true and in depth understanding of the English language. If anyone wants to learn to speak Chinese for example, They would be wise to employ a Chinese person. If they want to learn to speak Kiswahili, they would be wise to employ an East African person and if they want to learn English they would be wise to employ an English person, certainly not an Asian. If you believe that to be a "racial" statement then you are sadly wrong and guilty of racialism yourself. It is not racial to recognise the differences that distinguish one nationality of people from another. Remarks only become racial when they are specifically aimed at discriminating against one or more people on the singular basis of their racial origins alone. Or didn;t you know that?

If I want to learn to speak a particular Asian language and I place an advertisement for a native of that particular country - and let's suppose it was your Country - would you then jump up and down and cry that I was being racial?

Please answer this question in a straightforward way without any of your silly posturing.

John

I'll take what you said into consideration.
I learned a lot from the mistakes committed.

Nice day!

i agree with mr/ms DB,chinese students dont care if your asians or not.what matters most is your attitude.

I think Bridger wasn't thinking about your own self-segregation. He was probably thinking about the segregation on your part of others. Or at least between Asians and everybody else. You are the one that is noticing whether people are Asian or not, and treating them in such ways as you want them to be treated, not in the way they deserve to be treated on a human level.

You might want to read your own posts with a less narrow mind.

Your user name itself has negative overtones in Western cultures. But it is your use of the English language that raises eyebrows. That you are not proficient with its use is not something that should invite scorn; however, since you profess to be a teacher you should expect to be held accountable for said lack of proficiency. On the other hand, if you were to tell me that you are endeavoring, through dilligent study, to improve your grammar and writing skills my eyebrows would return to their proper alignment. (A first step might be to realize/realise that there is a difference between British English and American English spelling.)

Now, lest you take this personally, you would do well to recognize that the question of professionalism and accountability in China - a recent thread in this forum - is a question that has been raised in good faith and with concern for the well being of Chinese students. Race is not the issue here. Prejudice? Maybe a little. But that prejudice is directed toward attitude and ability and not toward race or skin color.

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

If we are to view the thread, it pertains to racial prejudice on Asians.
I am an Asian, and as I posted, may what you posted serve as an eye opener to those who are ashame to be one. Self segregation never occured in my mind.

Read my previous posts before giving me the verdict of leaving the ESL board.

With English as bad as yours and you presuming to defend all Asian teachers - I wonder whether your terrible English is typical among those you defend. It is just your kind of English that has contributed greatly to the bias against Asian teachers.

Why don't you go away and learn how to compose sentences accurately and use capitalisation where English grammar requires it.

Have a nice day

John

Well stated gap bridger!

I hope against hope that Asians may IMBIBE the meaning of what you posted to serve as an eye opener
for them.

I thought this topic is by far hibernating somewhere.
Are there still individuals out there ashamed to have
came from an Asian country? If so, pack your things and go somewhere in the antarctic or north pole or suit yourself in the statue of liberty or better burn yourself in Mars.

Why is there a need to be shameful just because you are Asian? What difference does it make?
Brown,yellow,black or white....we all belong to one
race - HUMAN.

I AM PROUD to be an Asian and that's self-evident truth.

Fellow Asians, if you find some racist around, just send/give them an APHORISM about you.

Do not allow anyone to let you suffer from MELANCHOLIA

KEEP ON APPLYING!
MY FRIEND AND I ARE ESL CERTIFIED AND HAVE BEEN TEACHING FOR A LONG TIME. THOSE PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT WE ARE NOT AS GOOD AS THE NATIVE SPEAKERS. PROVE TO THEM THAT WE CAN BE AS GOOD AS THEM... WE HAVE THE PASSION FOR TEACHING (PLUS THE FACT THAT, MAS MAGALING TAYO SA PAGBABAYBAY.. TOO DEEP HUH? TO THINK NA HINDI ITO ANG LENGWAHE NATEN TALAGA)... HOLD ON! GOOD LUCK!

Don't Worry, Be Happy!!!
> Be Proud to be a Filipino and be Yourself.
> I'm a Filipino also teaching here in China. You know the Filipino
> teachers they are very good teachers. But the Chinese people they
> don't know who is the real teacher.They prefer teachers from
> Australia, New Zealand, USA, Canada and British. Most of them they
> have no qualifications and they are not good in teaching.They are
> only Native English Speakers.They only know how to teach songs.
> Filipino Teachers in China are all better than them even some African
> Teachers mostly from Nigeria. Do you know that Nigeria is the 3rd
> most populated English Speaking Countries in whole world.And our
> official language is English. But the chinese people they don't know
> this. You know I recieved an Award as an "Excellent
> Teacher" in the whole province. So I'm very happy and proud coz
> I'm a FILIPINO. My chinese students , they like me very much coz
> Filipino teachers are very friendly and humble. But some of the
> Foreign Teachers mostly the white men are arrogant and not friendly
> to them.
> Your,
> KABABAYAN

> Keep it up. So how's Mexico?

My part of Mexico is very quite at the moment, nearly all the students are on vacation. However I'm also getting ready to leave, I'm flying to Korea next week so I'm fairly busy packing and selling off all my things. I have a few posts on the blog page about my move, and hope to put some of my opinions about teaching in Mexico up in a while.

> Filipino teachers are very friendly and humble. But some of the
> Foreign Teachers mostly the white men are arrogant and not friendly
> to them.
> Your,
> KABABAYAN

You may be right, but some of the white male teachers are friendly too, like me for example. I don't work in China, but in Mexico, and although some local people say the majority of English teachers are very arrogant and don't mix with Mexicans this is usually because they can't speak the language and are scared by unfamiliar cultures.

If you are going to teach in another country I think you should have the decency to learn some of the local language and to meet local people, not just your boss/coworkers and students.

Congratulations on your good work, nice to hear you are recognized and respected as a good teacher.

Mike B.

> I am desperate. I want to get my foot on the door and start teaching
> in China, but the employers who said they'd like to hire me
> eventually swallow their offer of employment once they see my
> picture, because I am an Asian.

> Which provinces in China are less racist? Maybe I should apply there.
> Help!
The problem is not racism.What they think is that Asians are not native speakers of the English language.Thus they can't instruct well.This is a pragmatic way of thinking.Just continue searching and one day you will be bless with one.I wish you the best

> I am desperate. I want to get my foot on the door and start teaching
> in China, but the employers who said they'd like to hire me
> eventually swallow their offer of employment once they see my
> picture, because I am an Asian.

> Which provinces in China are less racist? Maybe I should apply there.
> Help!

Hi, Newbie:
You are not alone. I have faced the same situation across. The same in Korea and Japan. Fortunately, Emailing is convenient. Keep trying! I wish you all the luck hereafter!
Alex

I am desperate. I want to get my foot on the door and start teaching in China, but the employers who said they'd like to hire me eventually swallow their offer of employment once they see my picture, because I am an Asian.

Which provinces in China are less racist? Maybe I should apply there. Help!

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