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#1 Parent Jacques - 2007-05-30
Re: DO NOT USE NEW TIMES - Teachers Discussion

Dear Shannon,

In your cover letter you asked us for a 4 to 6 month contract with a salary of 5000 RMB to 7000 RMB per month. In my first e-mail, I told you that we have six month and one year contracts, and in my second e-mail I mentioned that most of our contact schools only pay between 4000 and 5000 RMB per month.

If you would have indicated that you want a 3 month contract I could have told you that we, as an agency could not help you with that, unless you would want to join one of our volunteer projects, where the teacher pays a participation fee.

You preferred a position in the South-East or on the East coast, but nowhere did you mention that this was a requirement. With that information you still decided to engage our services.

You arrived Thursday late afternoon, and we offered you four positions Friday morning. Two of those were in locations suiting your preferences. One you rejected, because it required, besides normal teaching hours, office hours which would make it a normal 40 hour work week. The other two you didnt even want to look at as you were ready to accept the position in Wenzhou.

Michael was in the office most of the day. Due to personal reasons his lunch break is three hours, unlike the normal two and a half, but he was present the rest of the day. We work from nine to twelve and from two thirty to five thirty, and I was present during those hours, Michael was most of the time

So what happened? First of all, we are a business and both you and the school in Wenzhou knew that when you engaged our services. During the lunch break you decided to talk to the partner school independently of us. This is perfectly acceptable, if you talk about the details of the position.

However, we cannot let you discuss about anything else than the contract details (without Michael there to negotiate with the school on behalf of New Times), and we realistically cannot be held accountable for the actions or consequences of any deal or agreement that we had no part in creating. You even try to get the telephone number of the school to cut us out completely.

As we are an agency, and not a non-profit organization, we indeed ask the school to pay us a fee. This fee is a set fee, no matter if you and the school agree on a six month or one year contract. However, a school will be reluctant to pay a commission for a three month contract.

That the school in the end decided not to pay us for the services provided, but rather pay a different agency a smaller fee for the same service is therefore not our mistake but the schools. In the end not New Times, but the school blew up the deal by hiring another teacher.

We were ready to help you find another position, but you never even talked to us after getting off the phone with the school Friday late afternoon and never returned to our office after that.

Your complaint about me not being helpful As far as I could tell, everything seems to go pretty okay with you, and as I was occupied by a teacher that day with real problems, I never took the time for you. I do apologize for that, but then again you never asked me for advice either.

The only valid complaint you have is that the apartment where we put you up needs to be cleaned.

Sincerely,

Jacques Peeters

#2 Parent Shannon - 2007-05-27
DO NOT USE NEW TIMES - Teachers Discussion

They are NOT a helpful agency. They bring you to the middle of nowhere then have only two offers to review with you.

We are just returning from there after wasting 4 days of our lives. We feel tricked and disappointed. Also, we are left in China with no jobs and left to our own devices anyway.

The one position we did consider and we were ready to except pulled out in the end because New Times Int'l wanted their full year contract fee and we were going to take a three month contract. So in essence they ruined our chances to get the one offer they had given us.

We had provided them well in advance with our preferences and requirements. When we arrived we were ignored for some time then we were given one practical offer to 'consider'. We were basically told take it or leave it.

Our contact's name at the office was Micheal. AVOID him at all costs, he was missing most of the day and didnt say but three words to us. Basically, he called the contact shoved the phone at us to talk to him then left.

Also, be wary of their contact Jacques (Jack) Peeters. He was NOT at all helpful! Even though he was the only other English contact in the office again he didnt say but 3 things to us and it was only to answer basic questions we had to prompt.

They say they will put you up for your duration which is true. But if your experience turns out to be like ours it will be in an EXTREMELY dirty apartment with bugs and dirt. It was the type of place you come out itching after taking a shower. We had to buy sheets for the bed because I don't think the covers had been washed in quite a long time.

This is a brief overview of our experience.

I did all my research and emailed all the contacts that were provided by the agency.

We thought we were going to have a great experience with this group. BUT WE DID NOT!

Be warned and aware! Make sure you were really willing to trust these people. We were and now we have spent a lot of money only to be stuck in China with no jobs and no prospects because we were counting on them.

#3 Parent Brian - 2006-02-22
New Times - Teachers discussion

New Times is a company that gets recommended more often than the complaints that are made about it.

You can check out information about this company at www.buxiban.com which may be the list that Rheno was referring to.

There is also a discussion about this company currently going on at the following link:

http://www.teachinternational.com/jobforum/viewtopic.php?t=1014

#4 Parent Rheno747 - 2006-02-22
There's a list out there someplace - Teachers discussion

Teddy, there is a list out there someplace of all the schools (I think the list includes private high schools) that can legally hire foreign teachers.

Check this site, tesall.com, or Dave's. I believe it's a 'sticky' post at tesall.com.

Good luck.

Teddy Jones - 2006-02-21
New Times - Teachers discussion

Hey everybody,

This may sound a little generic but just wondering if you knew anything about New Times Int'l in Shijiazhuang. There's some good and bad out there about them but it's all fairly old.
Could anyone tell me whether I should go with them or not?

Thanks,
TJ

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