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#1 Parent Alex Wu - 2005-02-19
Laowai does not mean anything bad in a friendly way

Hi, Mic!
Laowai does not mean anything bad in a friendly way, if people were smiling. I don't think you saw anyone hold up his fist while saying. I suggested that you hold up your thumb. Most Chinese might not feel offended if you called them 'Chinaman', but as you knew, Chinaman has not been a 'friendly' way to name the Chinese, why you use it anyway?
If you don't feel like talking to them, just say nothing but a smile will do. Otherwise, you'll find lost of the Chinese you meet would like to brag something with you.

#2 Parent Chinaman - 2005-02-18
Yes Mic...

Are you looking for me?. Is there anything I can do for you? <:l

#3 Parent Mic - 2005-02-18
Response

OKay, great, I am glad to hear it is "nice" to point people out and call them Lao-Wei. I will remember that. So when I see a Chinese person, I guess it is appropriate for me to point them out and say "Chinaman"?

#4 Parent Chunping Alex Wu - 2005-02-16
What's wrong, Laowai?

Nothing wrong with Laowai.
In Chinese language, LAO is a respectable prefix. You offen heard "Laoli","Laozhang". People name the older. "Laobiao" in the south mears "brother(s)", "Laoxiong" in the north. So is Laowai.
It sometimes do mean:
1.Look, there is a foreigner! When one yells.
2.If it was said to you, then the peoson was talking to
you. Because he didn't know your name.
There was absolutely no insult.Just because most of the people in China seldom see a foreigner.
Ofcourse, if you had done anything wrong, you might thought the people was yelling "There is the culprit!"
So, what do you do? Just weqr q smile. If you like, you may wave. Otherwise, ignore them.
During WW II, Allied forces in China handled this by thrusting a thumb, and saying "Dinghao", that meant "Verygood"
Alex Wu, a Chinese-Canadian in China.

#5 Parent An Inquiring Mind - 2005-02-15
Racism in China - Do foreigners bring this upon themselves?

http://app1.chinadaily.com.cn/star/2003/0417/cu18-1.html

http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/33156

http://beyondwellbeing.com/al/laowai.shtml

Racism is more than skin deep..

http://app1.chinadaily.com.cn/star/2002/0905/vo2-2.html

By Davld Harrles, Shanghai Star. 2002-09-05
"There is no racism in China because we don't have any black people."

Reading this comment in the Lonely Planet Guide Book I was intrigued to know whether the Chinese student who wrote it believes that racism only affects black people.

Racism has many forms. It does not solely manifest itself against one particular race. Black, White, Chinese, Indian; they can all suffer discrimination.

It is true that racism in China is nowhere near as prevalent as in other countries.

In the more cosmopolitan cities such as Shanghai and Beijing, there are significant numbers of foreigners who - though rarely encountering any serious problems - are still unfairly treated.

The dual-pricing system, though now abolished by the government and practised fleetingly in only remote provinces, in any western country would be classed as fundamentally racist. By its very definition racism is the "unfair treatment of a person, group or race on the basis of prejudice." Yet to many natives, overcharging is simply a habitual procedure rather than a real sign of racial chauvinism.

But do foreigners bring this upon themselves? By bringing more money into the economy they naturally push up prices for everyone, with locals invariably bearing the burden. Besides even Chinese people bargain fiercely for goods, it is part of the culture and not wholly reserved for the unsuspecting laowai! It is ironic that foreigners are too quick to impose western ideas on other countries, believing them to be superior, thus imposing their own discrimination and prejudices along the way.

However, there is another group that is discriminated against far more seriously than westerners - the Chinese themselves. Speaking to some local colleagues I was amazed to hear that they feel they are ignored in comparison to outsiders. They now speak in English wherever they go, receiving much higher levels of service and privilege as a consequence.

Though many young Chinese realise the need to learn English in order to advance their prospects, it is a pity that they feel obliged to speak it in their own country rather than their natural language to get noticed.

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#6 Parent An Inquiring Mind - 2005-02-15
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#7 Parent An Inquiring Mind - 2005-02-15
The "Laowai", Racism and Personal Space in China

http://beyondwellbeing.com/al/laowai.shtml

TCM Training in China > The "Laowai", Racism and Personal Space in China
by Al Stone, L.Ac.
"Laowai". That's pronounced "Lao-why." It means foreigner. To me, it means "dog." It means an individual who isn't really human. That's how it feels when the Chinese say it in reference to me. They never say it directly to me, always among themselves. You aren't privy to their conversation, but you can see the degree of entertainment that they enjoy when you're in their presence.

Don't get me wrong, I've been around people who speak languages that I don't understand all of my life. I'm not the kind of guy who assumes that people are talking about them just because I can't understand the language. But, with everything else going on here, I just can't shake the feeling that this term, Laowai, is a negative.

I'm told that as I spend more time here in China and come to a deeper understanding of the Chinese culture, my perceptions of things such as the term Laowai will change. That's probably true, but it is interesting to note my responses to these terms. Right now, I don't like it.

Being thrust into a challenging cultural situation 15 thousand miles away from home brings up all kinds of human frailties. The benefit of travelling so far away from home is that you can end up discovering yourself, which it appears I'm in the process of doing.

Funny thing is, the Chinese are actually pretty playful with the Laowai. A convoy of military personal carriers passed by today while I was out on my bike. As usual, one of them had the courage to say the only English word he knows... "hello!" I looked up and, taken aback by all of the jungle camouflage and what looked like riot gear helmets, images of Tianamen Square and Kent state flooded into my mind. I did the first thing that came to me. I flashed them a peace sign. A few of them flashed it back.

It was too much for me. Way too funny. Where is my camera when I need it? As the other two trucks rolled by, each carrying another thirty men in its bed, they all began to flash me peace signs. All the while, I'm turning into a Richard Nixon giving them peace signs with both hands.

Being the Laowai gives you a certain amount of power. You can do things that they can't. You're free from social convention. In time, I'm sure that I'll make more and more good use of this freedom.

There's another situation here that brings out some very human responses. The sense of personal space is very different here. In fact, from what I've seen, there is none. That means that its perfectly polite and accepted to stare, point, and even gawk at foreigners.

My responses to this is very intense.

From the men, I perceive it as an act of aggression. My response is to tell them to leave me alone, or even shove them away. My desire to do this is quelled fifty times per day.

From the women, it is an act of seduction. My response is far more positive needless to say. Other desires are quelled fifty times per day - maybe forty-nine.

In reality, I'm sure that their intent is neither aggression nor seduction. When I'm out and about, I just have to relax, take a deep breath and let go of my need for privacy.

I see other non-Chinese on the streets sometimes. You can tell which ones have been here long enough to assimilate and those who haven't. Those who haven't walk with an air of impenetrability about them. Either they put on a fixed stare off into the distance, or they keep their heads down and try to remain invisible. Either way, they're trying to put up a vibe that keeps people from entering their realm. You can't do that when you're surrounded by thousands of people every moment that you're outside of your home. Thousands of people who were never told that it isn't polite to stare. And so they stare. Oh, boy do they stare.

You can try to make yourself impenetrable, to become invisible, but eventually, you have to pull that little secret boundary between you and the rest of the world into your mind. They can't see your mind, they can't see your heart, and it is here that you have to set up camp and live. Because you can't hide your race, and you can't hide the fact that you're a Laowai.

Probably the best psychological training one can have is to live here long enough to establish that internal perimeter.

#8 Parent Hangzhou Teacher - 2005-02-14
Racism in China, Etc.

This is answer to Whiteman's very astute observations.

Nonetheless, perhaps it a blessing in disguise so to speak.

Both of the employers that he mentions as "white-only" are extremely problematic employers and a search of the Web and of www.englischoolwatch.org would turn up a entire list of complaints about Rewi, in any case. There have been also numerous about the second.

Let it pass -- there are still many, many decent jobs in ESL in China. I should know -- I had two terrible ones, and now a third very nice one. Many China veterns have had the same experience. But then again, I had the same experience in Canada. Jobs are like marriages -- not all work and many end in divorce.
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Whiteman - 2005-02-14
Racism and ESL teaching in China. Would you still apply?

If you are White?
Well,not me. Bugger them.

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