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#1 Parent Carl - 2010-05-11
Re: Is it their culture, really?

I have to disagree with something Turnoi said, because there's a self contradiction there:

Western tradition focuses on the needs of the individual while Chinese tradition gives priority to the needs of the social group/society , subjecting the individual's needs to that of society. This is a tradition dating back to Confucianism, and it has been continued under the rule of the Chinese Communist Party inn a different way, but there is a long and a close continuity in that. From that perspective, it a a company like a training center requires it for economical reasons (that is, the private pockets of the owners).they will treat their employees in a shabby manner, and the employees are expected to submit to that according to the Confucian tradition.

Chinese tradition gives priority to the needs of the group
does not coincide with
a training center requires it for economical reasons (that is, the private pockets of the owners).they will treat their employees in a shabby manner
. Basically you are saying here that the training center treats it's employs shabbily merely to make profits off of them. That is NOT to sacrifice their needs for those of the group, but rather to sacrifice the needs of the group for their own personal benefit. At training centers the teachers, staff, and students will be sacrificed for the greed of the owner. This isn't some offshoot of Confucianism, but rather a completely amoral greedy practice that is the consequence of hierarchical divides, class-ism, and a kind of predatory capitalism as practiced without regard to the labor laws of the China.

It is not so much a cultural issue, as an issue of a lack of culture. The behavior is completely, as I said, amoral, and is in opposition to any meaningful tradition unless it's that of crime.

Chinese bosses often treat their employees far worse than anything in the West. There are many stories of bogus contracts exacting huge penalties if a Chinese employee should quit (even with more than ample notification); stories of employers keeping workers ID cards and documentation so that they can't leave and go somewhere else' there are illegal extended probationary periods It's all in the name of greed and selfish stupidity. Nothing worthwhile in it no matter how you look at it.

If only the government would step in and punish some of the offending business owners, there might be some change. Keep in mind Chinese labor laws are quite fair, but employers don't follow them, exploit workers mercilessly, and do this with abandon. Hooray!

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