People who were once picking apple, banana or orange trees have no place opening schools!

In Shenzhen, greed and amorality knows no limits!!!

Anyone heard of this newest RIP OFF PALACE IN SHENZHEN?

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The one that runs is is called Ruby Zhai
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They have the most confusing and convoluted way of doing business that I have ever seen.
they have already ripped off a few of my friends.
They are near Fortune Plaza in Futian in Shenzhen.
REAL RIP OFF PLACE!
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To think I actually responded to a couple of posts that you and your alter ego made today in an agreeing manner before stumbling onto this post. Now I regret showing you some niceness on my part.

I have never seen you address issues that are directed back at you when people who are arguing against you bring up good evidence and good reason to back up their story. Instead you go back to your charade of accusing me and others of being racist, having given up on life, hating Chinese, even having a herd mentality.

[edited][edited][edited] There is not one, not one reasonable excuse you have made to justify your reasons against me.

1. If I am so racist, then what do you call Chinese people when they tort hate against Japanese, Koreans, westerners, and even their own?

2. Teaching in china didn't work for me, so I changed careers. Yet you believe people who give up have "given up on life". You seem pretty cozy with believing that you are making a difference in that country. Hahaha white man's burden, modern style.

3. I am more than happy to respond and talk to you myself about [edited]. I do not need people backing me up. [edited] I am just as stubborn as you if not more. Since I am probably younger I will be more than happy to [edited] every time you come onto the board to slander and defame other teachers, time is on my side, Buddy.

You live in china, so what? Many other people live in china as well. In fact many Chinese pol live in china want to leave china. I do not think they would like such a devoted 50cent brigade expat brag about how much better you are as a person for being in china. I would make a fortune selling all of the teeth dropped to the floor from laughter as fake ivory from the locals.

But keep talking, I enjoy arguing with you. It keeps me on edge and is a constant reminder that ppl like you are what helped me change my viewpoint about everything being fine, just cultural differences. You being on the boards will only strengthen the resolve of me and other teachers to stick up for ourselves, and it is in no small part to you Kevin for willing to play the role of the bad guy. Which is a role you a fulfilling quite nicely. I in fact have not seen such a nice guy like you around since frank Zhang. I guess the second egg laid by the mother turtle finally cracked.

I have never worked outside of Fuzhou, so if you have passed through you might have met me.
It is good to hear someone else saying they like living here. what always suprises me are the ones who constantly complain about being here and yet do not leave. They come up with a variety of reasons why they can't go and some are valid but ultimately no one is forced to live here.
If you ever pass though Fuzhou maybe we will meet on the street.

I like living here. Sure there are problems but on a whole the pros far outweigh the cons. Of course me saying that is going to upset the racists on this site but what can you do? I have been lucky to meet a few good foreigners that I will stay in contact with for the rest of my life, as for the rest i just try my best to ignore and avoid them.
It would seem obvious that if you do not like where you are living you would leave but i guess there are those that like to complain more than actually improve their lot in life.

I guess my questioning his role in what happened was wrong. I should have jumped on the band wagon like you do all so often and talk about how bad the Chinese are. I imagine if I did that you would be satisfied and have nothing to say as your ideas are being reinforced. I know that I will never be here and please you because of a few reasons.
I am not Racist
I do not hate the Chinese as much as you
I expect people to take responsibility for their actions
I have not given up on life
I do not have the herd mentality that often relies on peer pressure to keep those with different opinions down
I actually live in China
You can give as many reasons as you want for why people do what they do like a bleeding heart as much as you want but you will never change my opinion of you and the types like you that cannot take responsibility for your actions.
I would say its types like you that even though you claim your intentions are good bring about a lot more pain and turmoil than actual good.if someone is a douche bag i really do not care what country they are from but it is interesting that its usually Americans i hear about getting roughed up. I wonder why that is.
you do make me laugh though for you just keep crying bout the same things and offer the solution of do not bother doing anything because there is no point. Whenever I get down about living here I like to read your posts and see that there are as many people abroad as there are here in China that do not deserve to breed.

if you can say that you are completely and totally innocent of what happened and that you did nothing to provoke the attack then you have my sympathy. No one should be the victim of violence anywhere in the world. Come on now be honest, are you totally innocent?

Flawed logic, are you saying everyone who claims to be a victim of something can only have that right if they were completely perfect with their behavior? What kind of thinking is that? What's wrong with you? So anyone who has made mistakes in their life therefore deserves anything horrible that has happened to them? So tell us then Kevin what mistakes did Pete make that made him truly undeserving of sympathy from anyone. In your argument we should just ignore him and stop this thread, right? Because of what? On what grounds? There are no perfect people in this world, so honestly does that make any of us innocent, does that make you innocent?

your comments in previous posts though show a disdain for Chinese people that reveals your obvious racist and nationalistic attitudes. Again calling 90% of the Chinese scum reveals that you obviously should not be living in China. If you were anywhere else in the world saying what you are saying you would most likely be beaten there as well.

[edited]. Let's say I'm in a foreign country that I hold good will for. I let 2 people live with me. Then because of some disagreements we have had (which usually may come from misunderstanding and judgemental attitudes about certain things displayed by both sides, not just one side), I get beaten up badly for it. On what grounds do you believe that it was because of the original poster saying these things that got him beaten up? Also have you been "anywhere else" in the world?

there was an American that got a bottle upside the head once at a bar, he had been asked to move to a smaller table to allow a larger group to sit down. He told the woman to go fornicate on yonder, called her a female dog a few times and then continued drinking. This was not the first time that had happened but it was the last. There were about 15 other foreigners sitting around the patio and not one of them stood up to defend him. i would not say he deserved a bottle upside the head but i would say he had learned a valuable lesson.

His behavior was unacceptable anywhere in the world, yet after wards he claimed that the Chinese are so horrible and then looked for every example as to why. In his mind he was innocent, but also he believed that as an American he could do and say whatever he wanted and there would be no repercussions. He was wrong and I wonder if you are as well.

His behavior certainly wasn't acceptable in the least. With that being said I have met Scottish, Irish, and British folks who weren't exactly the most courteous and polite of people either during my time in china. Does that make it right for me to talk about them like how you talk about Americans? You accuse someone else of bigotry and then YOU FREAKING DO IT YOURSELF! What a nice guy you are! During my time in china my first bad job I got was working with an alcoholic american who had personal issues and troubles, I was cheated of my salary at that job as well as being verbally abused. Hell we might even be talking about the same person. What should I do then, talk about and think about americans like you, Kevin? What about people who come from abusive families who live overseas and then have bad situations happen to them in the host country, are they supposed to think about anything nationally? You don't care though, you just want to flaunt your ideas as being the best while annoying others.

If someone really was assaulted, beaten, or god forbid raped by some criminal who runs a business in a foreign coutry, why would they have any vote of confidence in you or with this board if the first response they get is being accused of being hypocritical? Try to actually look at both sides of the coin next time, although that might be too hard for you now. I wonder if you have done some things that warrant your attitude towards certain expats.

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if you can say that you are completely and totally innocent of what happened and that you did nothing to provoke the attack then you have my sympathy. No one should be the victim of violence anywhere in the world. Come on now be honest, are you totally innocent?

your comments in previous posts though show a disdain for Chinese people that reveals your obvious racist and nationalistic attitudes. Again calling 90% of the Chinese scum reveals that you obviously should not be living in China. If you were anywhere else in the world saying what you are saying you would most likely be beaten there as well.

" I have never seen a society where people step over someone unconscious in the street and then turn to you and say "Don't help them because it could be a rip off situation" - PATHETIC "

Good Samaritan laws are laws or acts protecting those who choose to serve and tend to others who are injured or ill. They are intended to reduce bystanders' hesitation to assist, for fear of being sued or prosecuted for unintentional injury or wrongful death. So the Chinese knowing that the courts will not protect them as well as the American courts makes them pathetic?

You claim I do not know what I am talking about but I suspect you just wanted to come on this site and have people console you and agree about how bad the Chinese are. Well I am sorry to not cooperate with you but really I refuse to cooperate with racists where ever they are in the word.

i say kudos to you for knowing how to work the system here in china, you should be proud of yourself. Keep up the good work if that is what makes you happy but do not be surprised when you get your ass handed to you again.

there was an American that got a bottle upside the head once at a bar, he had been asked to move to a smaller table to allow a larger group to sit down. He told the woman to go fornicate on yonder, called her a female dog a few times and then continued drinking. This was not the first time that had happened but it was the last. There were about 15 other foreigners sitting around the patio and not one of them stood up to defend him. i would not say he deserved a bottle upside the head but i would say he had learned a valuable lesson.

His behavior was unacceptable anywhere in the world, yet after wards he claimed that the Chinese are so horrible and then looked for every example as to why. In his mind he was innocent, but also he believed that as an American he could do and say whatever he wanted and there would be no repercussions. He was wrong and I wonder if you are as well.

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So are you unhappy with the police posted outside your house keeping you safe? Should they just leave you alone? In one post you complain that they did you wrong by not offering you a translator even though your wife is bilingual and then you complain that they are watching out for you so you do not get another beating.

How is it exactly you would like this situation resolved?

If you are fearing for your life shouldn't you take advantage of the fact you are American and leave? You could hire some hitmen to kill the guys that beat you?

What exactly would make you happy?

You claim you know how to beat them at their own game and that I know nothing yet I have never had any problems such as you have and i have had many situations that could have turned ugly. I wonder why that is?

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What am I going to say about the guys that did this to him? They were in the wrong and should not have resorted to violence. I think that is pretty much a given which is why i did not comment on them.
It must really burn you up knowing that someone out there does not subscribe to your racist bs and actually suggests that the person getting the beating might have played a part. If it was a completely random act of violence i would totally be supportive but as there is a back story it leaves me with questions.
As for the loud obnoxious stereotypical American throwing his weight around I guess I am the only person that thinks this. that stereotype is unfair and unjust i guess and I have to admit I am ashamed to subscribe to it. surprisingly though the only foreigners beaten here have been America, I wonder why that is.
What you call trolling I call not buying into your crap. [edited]

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I am not disputing the fact that the police here often do not follow the law. I have personally seen instances where the police just try to get rid of the foreigner as qucikly as they can. For them it is just easier that way I guess then actually doing what they are legally obligated to do. It is not right nor do I agree with their actions, but the question still remains what did you do? Are you saying that you were completely and totally innocent in this entire endevour or did you provoke the attack? again i have seen people here that would be beaten in America for their actions and yet when questioned they go on about how bad the Chinese are.
You need to protect yourself, mind your Ps and Qs and realize that there will be those willing to give you a beating if you step out of line. This true for any country you live in. Be prepared to deal with the consequences.

As for dragonized
would just tell all of the folks out there who want to give the private education world in china a shot that you are not doing anything good, you aren't doing anything productive, and worst of all you are wasting your own time for absolutely NOTHING.
Is this what you would call helpful? It is laughable how your hatred for ths country and its people show up in almost every post you make. You claim to be helping yet say nothing substance except turn tail and run away. I can only imagine how you scour this site looking for posts that reinforce your hatred and blatant racism and dismiss anyone who does not agree with you.
It is pretty sad

It seems like patronizing others is more important to you than offering actual, helpful advice. I would say that pocketing the money is something that is quite uncriminal when compared with the general attitude displayed by the police of telling Pete to "not call" his consulate. Considering he was assaulted unless he is blatantly lying then Pete is the victim of a crime that carries felony charges in the USA where both he and I are from.

Said poster didn't try to flaunt his Americaness, he was only giving information. He also suggested setting up a supporting network. What solutions have you brought to the table with these situations that actually help expats out, Kevin??? Just your contemptuous attitude towards people who are American shows more about your stereotyping nature that has come up all too much, too often in the past.

You nitpick a person's actions and you devote not 1 word to discuss the chinese that did this to him. It seems like you're back to your old, trolling ways. Old habits die hard indeed, eh?

I suppose it depends on which country you are in, eh? Wasn't there a story not too long ago about a girl who was freed in Italy after being incarcerated for over a year for the supposed murder of a local? When we're in a foreign country we don't have too many rights to begin with. It doesn't help the fact that since every government in the world seems bent on power, and since the USA has the most of that so many countries tell their citizens to treat Americans with contempt. Living overseas can truly wake you up on how unfair and unreasonable life can be, and it's the people that make it like that.

OK here is the skinny on what to do when you get attacked or F_cked over while in China. I will start with a true story:
About a week ago I was savagely beaten by two 27 year old Chinese dogs. I am 53 years old
The events that led up to the beating are not important. What is important is that I knew both guys and it was over a breached agreement (of course) and money (of course).
I was beaten as I entered an apartment I leased (in my name) and had let these two pricks live in for peanuts in return for them watching over my animals while I worked night and day, 7 days a week for the past 8 months. As I tried to defend myself I was dragged down to the floor and one of the pricks held my right arm down as the fat piece of $hit sat on top of me and crushed my chest. Then as I was held down the beating commenced. Long story short, I was hit with everything but the kitchen sink and at one point I think they were pummeling me with wooden 2x2 pieces of hard wood like bats. Every time I came back from being knocked out I received another exchange of blows. Finally they realized they might kill me and I managed to crawl out the door and call the cops. I then got my second wind and went after the two pricks even though I was vomiting blood and had a slight concussion (which landed me in the hospital for 3 days). After they realized I called the cops they actually started begging me to forgive them and then threatened me with what they would do after they got out of jail lol. The fat one actually thinks he beat me up. It took 2 pieces of Chinese $hit to beat up one 53 year old American who hadnt slept for two days and was so strung out that he hardly could walk to begin with.
When the police came I made sure I was taken away by ambulance. The Chinese dogs that F_cked me over were supposedly put in the lock up over night.
That evening and thru the night and into the following days, the police started calling my wife to see how I was and one of the pricks actually was still texting me threatening me if I prosecuted them.
After 3 days we went to the police and I demanded restitution. That night a meeting ensued at the police station. I had already called the consulate and was told that if they were needed they would send a representative IMMEDIATELY thats right they would have backed me up believe it or not.
Let me cut to the chase here and finish by saying that not only did I get back $4000 RMB in hospital bills (which I padded anyway and which my insurance policy will totally cover to the RMB), But I was told that the matter was closed and I was asked politely not to call the American government in on it. I told them if I was left alone I would not call my government in. The bottom line is this, as an American you do have inalienable rights and believe it or not they follow you around the world where ever you go. As an American I had more civil rights than the 2 Chinese pigs that beat me up. And they knew it too! That is the sign of a sick society. This is a society in which 800 million or so people are nothing more than third class citizens.
I want to give every American out there a bit of advice when it comes to dealing with the local Chinese population. DONT DO IT! These people are born liars and thieves and beggars. The very few Chinese friends I have that came thru for me are a very small segment of the general population in China of which about 90% are nothing but scumbags. The Chinese seem to think that because they have had such a hard past that it entitles them to act like animals and thieves and beggars and $hit to others now. They have no God because they only worship money money is their God. And that is a truly sad race of people if you ask me. And the very small percentage that are not animals are totally disgusted by it and that is why they are scrambling to have their kids learn English so they can have a better life away from the sub culture that exists here in China. I can tell you first hand that the $hit I heard that was being screamed at me by the fat prick that was bashing my brains in was truly scary. There seemed to be an undercurrent of hatred and frustration and violence in it. It was truly disturbing because if I wasnt as lucky as I was, I would have been killed.
Here are some rules to remember:
#1 Always be aware of yours surrounding and NEVER travel alone. I dont care how big and bad you are. No one can fight off 2 or 3 guys and once they get you down you are totally finished.
#2 Be very careful in any business dealing with any Chinese even people you consider friends. These people worship only money and will kill for it.
#3 Do not trust these people and always remember that you should have a contingency plan or some way out. The American Consulate is besieged with incident reports and complaints about business rip offs. These people are born scumbags, dont trust them.
#4 If you want to sleep with any Chinese girls make sure you use a condom. I will say that again; make sure you use a condom. You do not want to wind up in one of the STD clinics with something like Herpes Simplex 100 (which can grow lesions on Porcelain toilet bowls for Gods sake!). I have a friend that will never be Ok after the strain he caught. BE CAREFUL when you sleep with these pigs!
#5 I know Americans never stick together but at least, TRY! There is strength in numbers and there is money to be made here. We might as well all make as much as we can before heading back to America when it gets better there and we can return. No one is saying to become a GW. What I am saying is have some dignity and self respect. The less of these you have, the more these liars and thieves and beggars will rip you off.
#6 I suggest we all start keeping in touch with each other and start sharing information on how to get things done and where to go after being victimized and more important, before getting victimized.
Just my 2 cents worth guys - Pete

I will be looking forward to your thread. I could definitely use the information. I will thank you ahead of time for putting in the effort to assist others.

Yeah the GW's who sell out are truly sickening.

Esp, the younger 20/30 somethings who think they are bigshots in China, when they have no money, but a "Chinese" partner, who they believe is a true friend....when the chips are down the Chinese will leave you on your ass without a pot to piss in, but these fools think they are improving education and are businessmen...what a big stinking joke!

They wouldn't even be employable as a cleaner in pizza hut back home!