Hmmm I wonder who I am talking about and more importantly wonder who just asumes that I am talking about them. There are people who come here often and berate any with a positive opinion of China until they eventually leave, I guess sharing any opinion that does not conform to the sheeples is bad, and that makes me a bad person. ultimately it really doesnt matter though does it. haters gonna hate and players are gonna play. if I wanted an answer to a question who would I listen to? a person that doesn't live here and has an obvious hate on for the country, the people and the job or people that are actually living here and doing something relatively productive? keep up the whining, complaining and general nastiness that has marked these posts as they are a great source of entertainment and a warning sign for many of the various types that come to China. Personally when I meet foreigners like this here in China I avoid them like the palgue, their nasty disposition poisons what can otherwise be a pleasant experience. I no longer get angry with these types cause really their opinions only hurt themselves and do nothing to change my mind.

That's great Kevin. This after I had decided to share some personal information over email because I didn't believe you were the Suzhou Kevin but "Mr. McConnell" as you had asked me to address you over the York thread. I thought you might have been an actual decent person. I never attacked any of your posts on this thread and you reciprocate by siding wth a guy who admits to downing alcohol in between classes and putting me down.

You're a real "nice" person.

Walking is healthier. Cold beer here is 2 yuan a bottle

Fair points.

I also can't stand the western restaurants in my current locale, because they are overpriced....KFC, is a wai guo ren gawkfest, don't even bother with it.

Those who are regularly berating China and its people better be careful they don't shoot their mouths off to often here in the wrong situation. They might end up in detention. Best to go canny here, and keep your personal opinions about contentious issues to yourself. And those westerners here who are always complaining should realize that they're in an environment they don't like, and get out.

Basically, you're saying anyone who disagrees with you isn't worth listening to, well I feel exactly that way about you.

If you were Chinese, you'd understand that things here are black or white or grey, contrary to where you are from, where it's either black or white. Yes, there's much wrong with China, but also much right. I'm still here because I think the latter outweighs the former, and my homeland is a worse option for me. Things there are nowhere near what I'd like to see them as. China is a great alternative for me.

Of course it's more grey, after all you can drink alcohol in between classes and not get in trouble with it. I don't care if china is a "great" alternative for you. If you want to come on here and berate how righteous you are for doing what you do then you need to accept people of different opinions. By the way if I ever saw you in real life I wouldn't even look at you because I don't have any respect for the likes of you. Your attitude reminds me of someone in some type of fanatic group like the Youth Nazi's.

The posts of greg, ds, and others are pretty lame beyond reason. It's easy to label someone as being a part of a group and see yourself as a victim instead of taking responsibility for what you've said to others and being able to defend those points. People like you are obviously too immature for that.

By the way, I don't bother to group people together because sometimes the number is just too big. There is also a matter of ethics. How would you feel if I said that you and Greg were in cahoots with GW's like the Suzhou Foreign Language School manager who's name is supposedly Kevin and Frank Zhang? Would you like it if people associated pimps and child molesters with you? If you can't learn how to handle an adult conversation maybe you and Greg shouldn't be coming on here. For the sake of salvaging some self respect stop running off your mouth.

The internet is a faceless place where people can feel secure about posting information. I personally have never met anyone on these boards in person (as far as I know). I have communicated via instant messenging services and email with some people. These are people who have both agreed with and disagreed with me on things discussed. I am not in any clique or gang, but maybe you are. That's why you can only see things the way you see them.