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#1 Parent RhenoThai - 2005-05-19
The Gulf of TEFL - ESL discussion

I feel like I should jump in and contribute my own thoughts of TEFL International, Ban Phe, Thailand, so here goes:

TEFL International teach some great ideas as far as methodology goes. There is also an EXCELLENT professor there by the name of Dave Hopkins. Prof. Hopkins should be a tenured professor back in the states at Harvard or Stanford teaching this subject. They don't get any better in the TEFL industry, in my opinion.

Unfortunately, I learned almost from day one while teaching here in Thailand that TEFL's methods and the methods used at my school are worlds apart.

One technique used in TI's training program is the 'horseshoe'. It's called the horseshoe because that is supposedly the ideal seating arrangement in a TEFL classroom. It took about a month for my students to rebel against the horseshoe. My Thai students were unenthusiastic, to say the least, with a seating arrangement that was completely foreign to them. By the end of month two, I had pretty much abandoned the horseshoe altogether. I think I was using it only with my youngest learners, my M1 students (equivalent to 7th graders back in the states), by the time mid-terms rolled around the first semester.

It didn't matter. The horseshoe wasn't practical in my classes anyway. This is because my classes were HUGE. They were so huge that when I got my students into the horseshoe, the students on the opposing sides were so far apart they could barely hear each other speak. Some classes were so large the students on the ends had to sit outside the classroom. Indeed, I eventually branded the vast space between the students on the very tips 'The Gulf of TEFL'. Yes, I may have been able to fit a small boat in that space.

The horseshoe just didn't work. While I was moving around its vast perimeter using the T/T T/S S/T S/S pattern, most of the other students would become bored and start chattering in Thai or doing homework from other classes. This more or less eliminated the opportunity for my students to improve their listening skills. I soon decided there was no sense in 'beating a dead horseshoe', so the 'horseshoe' bit it.

Another technique I learned from TEFL that I had to abandon was 'self-access learning'. This is a great idea, and I hated to give it up, but I found both my students and my boss prefered the
time-tested 'direct teaching' methods my students' Thai teachers have used (with very little success, I might add) the last ten years or so. Indeed, my students would have nothing to do with my self-access approaches. I realized by the end of the first semester that Thai students prefer authority and being told what to do over actually doing things themselves in class or on their own outside of it.
Individual initiative and motivation are squashed here--as is the noble idea of 'self-access'.

Both the 'horseshoe' and 'self-access worked great at the gov't school where I did my teaching practice in Rayong while at TI. The classes were small there and the kids kept quiet during the 'rounds'. Yes, both self-access and the horseshoe worked well in Rayong. However, they didn't work at all at a school out in the sticks near Lopburi. I can't wait to go to another country to try out these great ideas again. Maybe my new students will embrace them.

RhenoThai

#2 Parent Elephant - 2005-05-18
TEFL Int'l memories - ESL discussion

Yeah, I remember going from TI's training center in Ban Phe to the government school up in the hills of Rayong. That was a beautiful school, that Chaloem Phrakiat Srinakarin, Rayong. One could see the Gulf from there, or so I was told. I never saw it in my 6 visits--it was too smoggy. Part of that smog was from the songtaew we had to ride back and forth from Ban Phe to Rayong.

Yeah, those diesel-smoke-belching stink pots called songtaews. I won't forget those...EVER. I especially loved it when diesel exhaust would get sucked up into the bed where riders sit while it was moving down the highway at speed. Being able to hold your breath for up to fourty-five seconds at a time is a good skill to have in Thailand.

I remember vividly one time on the way back to Ban Phe from that school in Rayong, the driver took a 'short cut' through back (dirt) roads. I and my fellow students, about 17 tuition-paying suckers, were completely covered in dust and soot when we finally got back. I say 'finally' because it actually took about 15 minutes LONGER using the short cut.

You'd think the guys at TI would provide better transportation to and fro than just a cheap songtaew. After all, the 'owner' of TEFL International makes a killing on tution--1600 USD a pop times 20 students on average every 5 weeks. Yeah, he can do a LOT better than a stink pot. He can do a LOT better on a LOT of things at TI.

Cheapskate.

CitySlicker - 2005-05-15
The 'Cowboy' Way in TEFL - ESL discussion

I just read a post here from 'John'. It seems John is presently 'at sea' somewhere in Europe, as his TEFL outfit didn't offer to help him find a job. It's good that sort of information ends up here for all to read. I, too, have had 'interesting' experiences with my TEFL and would like to share them with you.

I went to a TEFL mill in Thailand. At this said mill, there is a fabulous lady worker who helps the students with job leads. I had about 6 job offers by the end of the course thanks to her. It's a good thing she was there to help. I got not one iota of assistance from any of the 'big wigs' profitting off the insane tuition here. I say it's insane because it's insane for Thailand.....the top 'wig' probably hauls in 30K every five weeks. That's quite a stack of bills for this part of the world. And he gets to take it outta here back to places like Park City, Utah after paying very little, or even zero, tax. I know the laws. Thailand needs to bust some butt over this. But, I digress.

During the 6-hour teacher training portion of the course, my class had to meet in front of the school at 7:30 every morning to board our 'transport' to the school. You think it was a tour bus or even a nice mini bus? Think again. It was, of course, a ratty-ass songtaew. The 'wig' didn't bother to splurge on decent transport, so we, the tuition-paying smucks, had to suffer. Every day me and my fellow students were exposed, and even covered, in dirt and dust thanks to Mr. Tightwad.

And that's not all. I went back later to get a spare certificate made and sent back to my Bangkok address. This set me back 20 USD, with 10 covering postage. 10 bucks to send an envelope from Rayong to Bangkok! Yeap. And when I got the package, I saw Mr. Tightwad needed only 65 CENTS in postage to send the package. Thanks, guy! I owe you one! Actually, you owe me a cool $9.35.

As I think back one year later, I no longer BELIEVE I could have done better, I KNOW I could have done better. I SHOULD have played it smart. I SHOULD have come here to Thailand, gotten a fake certificate from Koh San Road like lots of other dudes, and gone out and gotten a job pulling down 30K. I would have saved about 1590 USD to boot.

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