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#1 Parent Magister - 2012-10-18
Re: EF Hangzhou Tax Avoidance/Utilities Scam!

Where did that table come from?

It doesn't specifically state that it includes foreigners working in china and/or whether there is any period we don't have to pay for or initial amount we don't pay tax on.

#2 Parent Justin Thyme - 2012-10-18
Re: EF Hangzhou Tax Avoidance/Utilities Scam!

You need to calculate the rates after the allowances and not before. Last time I looked the tax free allowance for expats was 4,800 rmb and for Chinese nationals 2,000 rmb.

#3 Parent James Mcdougall - 2012-10-18
Re: EF Hangzhou Tax Avoidance/Utilities Scam!

Table of Income Tax Rates in China for an Individual in 2012

Tax % Monthly Income (CNY)
3% 1 - 1,500
10% 1,501-4,500
20% 4,501-9,000
25% 9,001-35,000
30% 35,001-55,000
35% 55,001 - 80,000
45% 80,001 and above

#4 Parent Magister - 2012-10-18
Re: EF Hangzhou Tax Avoidance/Utilities Scam!

When you say 'come under (the spot-) light' do you mean that there is an actual investigation into this by the authorities that you can share with us or are you just referring to your own posts?

Tax evasion (different from avoidance and I think what you meant to write) isn't uncommon in china, i'd be surprised if the majority of teachers who post on this site pay tax particularly if they work for a private company. That doesn't make it right but as foreign teachers many of whom will only stay in china for a short time, What services would we be getting in return for our 20%? Good, free hospitals at the point of care? No. A good education for our children? No. Clean streets and cities? No. A pension? No. The list could go on and on. clearly when a company like ef evades paying tax it is not doing so because it has the teachers best interests at heart, it is doing so to ensure such contributions don't eat into profit. However, to argue that they are in some way cheating teachers by not making them pay tax does strike me as a case of cutting of your nose to spite your face.

I'd also be keen to understand where you get this figure of 20% from? Can you provide an accredited or official source for that figure? You are right to warn teachers of being wary of 'the money lady' because Chinese employers have a range of ways in which they skim of the top when it comes to paying you. In my opinion tax is just another way to do that. I have posted on this site before to comment that a growing number of employers in china are now advertising at gross wage as opposed to nett simply because they believe that the bigger figure will attract more hits for their job ad. In a country like china with a useless bureaucratic system and lack of visibility of that system, how would you ever know that the organization you work for is paying the correct amount of tax on your behalf and not just pocketing it? As a foreigner you simply don't. There are other posts i've read on this site saying that expats are exempt from paying tax for the first 2-3 years. By your own accounts of your time at EF this would rule out the majority of people who work there including yourself. There was also legislation bought in last year that requires foreigners and their employers to contribute to social welfare but the figure was not nearly as high as 20% (9-12% was quoted). Again there seems to be a large difference between the de jure and de facto conditions of living and working in china as many employers and subsequently teachers are yet to start paying this.

James Mcdougall - 2012-10-17
EF Hangzhou Tax Avoidance/Utilities Scam!

EF Hangzhou has recently come under light for not paying tax to the Chinese government on behalf of it's teachers. Teachers in China are expected to pay up to 20% tax on their low EF Salary. However, EF Hangzhou has been caught on numerous occasions. They have been paying cash, without deductions. Other institutions are paying into your bank account like proper western companies.

Also watch out for the money lady in your EF. They have also been caught laundering money from your utilities. They have failed to reproduce any real bills of what your utilities are or how they are calculated. This has been apparent on numerous occasions. Moreover, they have the blatant cheek to do this, seeing as they never fix your apartment except for the minor touch ups that are done when someone new arrives. The door handles soon fall off the day after!

In effect, working for an organisation such as EF Hangzhou, you could indeed spend the majority of your time in a Chinese prison.

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