Lynn = Lin (H.), FAO?

Aaaahhhhhhhhh....is that the guy with the fake Doctorate?

Drag: With such a fragile ego, you make mistakes. Your insecure ego makes you hypervigilant and un-focused. And therefore, weak. You are wong, I am none of the posters you mentioned. I am just someone who - yawn - is bored by the constant sight of your projected insecurities (I like this Forum and I will keep visiting it, so don't come with your refrain that I just have to leave). Just man up.

You can keep visiting this forum, but you will have to put up with us humiliating your kind on a regular basis.

Then why so many posts addressed to me?
This is boring!

An armchair shrink who wants to get into my head but comes off as a cheap beelzebub knockoff. Keep trying, you are exactly as your name implies.

your idea of what being a "man" means is irrelevant.

your ideas of masculinity belong in a sewer, and so does your Weltanschauung in general.

It is okay to obsess a little sometimes, especially if you're outing individuals of little or no character. What useful information have you contributed to this board? Nothing in so far as I can see!

No Greg/Anne/WW, you or your crony made the mistake so I can point it out. Ask the board admins to delete your stupid posts if you don't like being attacked. Tool.

http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/forum/index.pl?page=2;read=87267

In this link he shoots himself in the foot by acknowledging that what you posted are actually "pictures". Whatever fits the mood for this sociopath will make him define right/wrong in one way on one day and in another way on another day.

Also, by his twisted logic on that day if showing real pictures makes homosexuality not okay, then only showing fake ones would make it okay. By this logic homosexuality to this psycho is fake, and doesn't actually exist. Homophobia at its finest.

I already talked about this sick f**k's racist problems with folks of African descent and this shows his homophobic problems. He even talked about flirting with the female assistant with you as if all women respond to that kind of objectification. I'm sure a normal woman will find it okay to label him "misogynistic".

Funny thing is, when I pointed out how he shouldn't talk about some things in some way he made the classic argument fallacy: He didn't discredit the information I put out, but he went and directly attacked my character like he knew me personally. But hey he showed everyone what a low life criminal he was.

you are a moron. Nothing on those pictures of that shitty faux-university is "mock up", they are simply digital photos.

My post was not an attack on you per say. I rarely do that to people on this forum, nor am I the spelling or grammar police. My post was based on the clues that I saw on your post. That led me to the conclusion that the post was not written by a native speaker at the time. Sometimes Chinese school employees pretend to be foreign teachers to defend or promote their schools here. A misspelled word or omitted word is no big deal, it happens all the time. Everyone needs an editor, and I am no exception. I can see that you proofread your post better this time, and that has led to a different conclusion about you.

This forum serves as an early warning system. There are good schools and horrible schools out there where people need to take due diligence in investigating before they sign on. I myself did not sign on with a certain school in Harbin because of what I read on this forum. I was new to E.S.L. back then and seriously considered signing on before investigating more. That place was a really shady place that was confirmed on other sites.

E.S.L. in China is filled with corruption, and I am glad your experience has been positive. I have been with my school for three years. When I leave I will recommend it to other teachers. However, I will not recommend the other school across town that keeps bringing in very young British teachers on a business visa. The new teacher now had no clue that she was here illegaly. I told her to have a get away plan and to not submit to any of the school's threats since they can't enforce an illegal contract on an illegal worker. Another school around here promised one teacher a verbal contract renewal in June, and just last week they changed their mind and told her that she had one week to clean her office and apartment. I spent time with her this summer as she told me all about the jobs she had turned down to remain at that school. She liked the school and the town. She got drunk for three straight nights at the local bar this past week. I was there for two of those days. She just left yesterday to Chicago.

Misspelled words and awkward written psosts are not so important. That new teachers should be careful before comming to China is what is important.

Greg? Come on. Is that you D[edited]?

Oh god you are trying way too hard to be negative. It hurts my happy self. I'll just assume you were scammed and couldn't do anything about it, so you took to the internet to vent your frustrations. Sounds similar [] john o sheet, dragonized, ect? Sorry you got scammed, doesn't mean that other people will be as careless as you. It also doesn't mean that everyone is EVIL and out to GET YOU! Really, you guys are pathetic, and I feel bad for anyone who actually reads your whining because you just made them sad over something you don't know to be true.

I know, right? People who can't do anything about the injustice in a country like China should all be disregarded. You also can then disregard most local people's opinions as well. You sure sound like a Loser Pollyanna type. Fitting your pseudonym would be "Anne".

I certainly don't think everyone is out to get me. I do believe there are good people in this world, [edited]. I am happy for the fact that you are angry at me and other posters for daring to speak out. It serves you right to be miserable for something like this. [edited]

If you want to share your experiences, that's fine. But you're not. Not once have I actually seen anything where any of you talk about what happened to you to make you so negative, or feel the way you do. All you write about is what you read before, heard about, or your "general overall consensus" from the "fired teachers anonymous" meetings.

I have stated many of my own personal experiences on this board. I have been posting on here long enough. Not that I have anything to prove to a troll such as you. I do not only "write about" what I've "read before". Some of the things I can tell you will blow your mind due to me having a better grasp of how things work in this world than you ever will. I post because I believe in helping make things better, and you're just another sore nail sticking out that I will hit back down with my proverbial hammer.

Get a job and a boy/girlfriend, and maybe you'll be happier and off this message board like I will be.

Despite working a full time and part time jobs and feeling exhausted at the end of the day, I still post on here. Not posting can make me feel a bit irresponsible like I am leaving something unattended. I do not think the "Anne" poster will be reading this, but certainly the West still provides plenty of losers who think they are legends in their own minds. Working against these people will continue to be a grind, and it won't be easy. But in the end showing how I feel and that is rewarding enough in itself.

It's amusing to see trolls try and mimic what others say when they think they have an ally. I certainly hope you were not talking about me. Would you like to start another round of "entertainment"?

finance teacher

ACCA?

It's not the Huizhou Uni's fault, it is as Anne clearly puts it "Stupid FTs that have been scammed or cheated due to ignorance."

Hey John, I am a native speaker. Pointing out grammar mistakes doesn't prove anything except that you have so much time on your hands that you have nothing better to do than to insult someone who is making a positive post of the school where I work. My simple point, that you have completely missed, is that I enjoy my job and my school. Can you understand that?

Grammar mistakes might not prove anything, but Chinese style grammar mistakes prove that you are actually Chinese.

finance teacher

Counter to all slandering statements on our university on this board, we wish to make it very clear that we provide first-class salaries and luxury apartments for our foreign professors. Please see for yourself:

LOL!!!!!!!

Maybe the "Escaped from Huizhou" poster just imagined what happened to him. And the photos he took are a figment of his imagination also........LOL!

Oh don't worry about John, Greg, he's just a China Grumbler, as is his 'Grumbler in Arms' chum who wrote the above. I saw those pics that 'Escaped from Huizhou' poster posted and I'm bound to say, one looked like a mock-up and another...well, I couldn't see much wrong with it. I got the distinct feeling that the aforementioned poster was just using the forum to advertise something else though which hadn't much to do with the university or it's shortcomings. So, yes, in my opinion said photographs were very much a figment of the posters imagination. Creative artistic licence type imagination.

Now, anyone who posts regularly should be assumed according to you to have bad social skills

I 100% agree on this. If you're regularly posting here, your clearly not going outside your home to find women. A lot of the common posters here are e-bullies, because they don't have the confidence to speak out for themselves in real life.

My advice for finding a nice girlfriend/wife? Try turning that frown upside down and go out to find them!

Stupid FTs that have been scammed or cheated due to ignorance.

Then this forum is doing valuable work in bringing enlightenment the those "stupid FTs" before those "stupid FTs" pay the price of their ignorance.

Very well said.

Oh kind sir, I was referring to one poster who argued that the original post that started this argument may have been written by an employee of the school and not an actual teacher. I am not a grammar Nazi nor do I care to criticize a person's grammar or spelling mistakes. These were just my views that some people may not be what they claim to be, and this can be detected by some of the flaws in their writing. If you would care to read some more of my post you get to the actual gist of what I was saying. I will put it for you succintly: that in order for a job seeker to really know about a school it would be better for him or her to contact an actual or former employee about the work environment in said institution.

I wrote that particular post at 10 pm before going to sleep. I beg your pardon if my written language is not on par to yours. Every writer on earth needs an editor, and I am no exception- maybe except you.

I meant to write "capitalize" in order to say that some of the poster's sentences were missing a capital letter in the first word of their sentences, a common mistake made by Chinese writers. I pointed to this as being one clue that they maybe an employee of the school. I apologize for not using correctly one word in about one million or so other words in the English language. I will take your advice on my spelling, and you please take my advice on your reading comprehension: read a post several times to know what it is really about before posting a response.

You don't need experience something to know if its good or bad, but you do need facts and evidence.

Well, I don't know about other reviews, but regarding Huizhou University there were some pictures posted that showed the state of living that the former teacher who worked there went through. As for other reviews, even if sometimes the language is a bit jumbled you still have details regarding interactions between the former employer and the teacher that you cannot have unless you were personally involved.

The problem with this website is its impossible to judge what's real and what's fake.

I certainly feel that for me to post regularly on here, I feel strongly about the state of the ESL industry in general and how many problems there are. With others they have their mind set on finding mostly good news because that is how we are conditioned to believe that most things in society are actually good and there isn't too much to worry about. But there are always entities that are exceptions, whether they be exceedingly good or exceedingly bad. What is being discussed on here falls into the latter category.

The bigger problem is that when people come here saying ANYTHING good, the negative nancy's assume it's fake.

I can easily replace "good" in your sentence with "bad" and "negative" with "positive" and you would have most discussion boards like Dave's ESL Cafe. Most of the news devoted to China veer on putting a positive spin on how things are in that country. Sites like chinasmack flat out post anti-foreigner articles which would never be allowed on here. You just happen to have visited a site that has a group of regular posters with differing opinions than from maybe most of what you have seen. If you do want to read the posts on here, you should have an open mind and be prepared for different opinions from what you are used to.

The only truth that's accepted here is what's bad about places to work, there is no positive truth.

There is no need to talk about "positive truth" so much on here because the good places will not have negative reviews. All you need to do is google the place and see if there are complaints, something you can do yourself.

This leads me to believe that these negative nancy's are either A) incompetent employees that have been fired.

Your own name calling certainly doesn't bode any trust, as that in itself can be called childish by others who would disagree with you. As for being fired, if you have a manager who is alcoholic, vindictive, immature, and maybe racist of course being fired from a place such as that cannot be something that can be used as defamation against your character. Certainly, there are many expats working as teachers who have alcoholic problems.

B) Stupid FTs that have been scammed or cheated due to ignorance.

Wow! You sound like you know all about the intricate workings of how to cheat and scam, because that is why it has never happened to you and it will never happen to you? Any good person can be cheated and scammed easily, especially if it is the first time they are working in that country. So you are saying that the tens of thousands of scam artists (many of them westerners working in cahoots with the local scumbags who do this sort of pretend "business) they get off scot clean if they do whatever they do and the teachers who are the victims of this deserve whatever they get? What makes you think there should be such an UNEQUAL relationship in this business? Business should be fair, reciprocal, and professional. Maybe that is something you missed.

C) People who are working for their own private agendas. Post negative things about one company so another looks better...

If there are any agendas that have been consistently stated on here, it would be that ALL private companies who do ESL in some countries like south korea and china should be outlawed and put out of business. This hardly sounds like an agenda by people who work for big corporations. If I really was a high salaried, corporate lackey type who made money off the backs and sweats of ESL teachers I would not post on here for that might threaten my own revenue livelihood. Of course, consciousness at knowing what I did was wrong might also play a part in that too.

My main grievance with some of the other posters is that they have had bad experiences and continue to have them because they don't do things like ask prospective employers for references;

Really Beelzebub? You sound as if you are sitting right next to them and looking at how they do things. By "Ask prospective employers for references" you mean asking the potential employers to speak with former expat employees, right? Well, I can say that you are not the only person who knows what that means. So don't judge others for doing or not doing something when you don't actually know what they are doing. You take your own guess as if they were facts.

and also have a bad attitude concerning women and cannot find girlfriends and wives.

If you would like to give some real, decent advice on how to tell the good women from the bad in certain areas where you have lived for a time, then you should actually do so. Might even change the minds of some posters whom you may not share a high opinion of. But you have yet to do that on here, right? Now, anyone who posts regularly should be assumed according to you to have bad social skills if they speak out against the general incompetence, selfishness, insecurity, and blatant barbarism that many of the women in lesser developed countries or who were raised in the lesser developed countries display. The end of the fact that "they" decide that some groups of women are not of high quality and caliber due to actual, personal experience may be something that really slipped your mind, eh?

You don't need experience something to know if its good or bad, but you do need facts and evidence. The problem with this website is its impossible to judge what's real and what's fake. The bigger problem is that when people come here saying ANYTHING good, the negative nancy's assume it's fake. The only truth that's accepted here is what's bad about places to work, there is no positive truth. This leads me to believe that these negative nancy's are either A) incompetent employees that have been fired. B) Stupid FTs that have been scammed or cheated due to ignorance. C) People who are working for their own private agendas. Post negative things about one company so another looks better...

Well, I don't think there's any negative things said about a company on this site to make another company look better- they tend to loathe and detest all Chinese companies. Mind you, they probably don't harm any schools which don't deserve to be harmed. If contrary to what they are saying about a school, in reality, the FT's are gay and happy, well-paid and bedded down in adequate flats, then that school has nowt to worry about.

My main grievance with some of the other posters is that they have had bad experiences and continue to have them because they don't do things like ask prospective employers for references; and also have a bad attitude concerning women and cannot find girlfriends and wives. If you have any advice for them concerning that, it would be valuable, please? Many thanks, Anne.

And why the hell would I be a Christian exactly? Apart from the slight technicality of being 'Christened' due to my Mother's personal beliefs, I do not feel that I have any real reason to describe myself as a Christian. I am definitely not a practising one and I probably wouldn't be consider to behave like one either, so I would not claim to be one.

I actually have nothing against Christians of the non-preaching variety, but to attack my beliefs for not being Christian... It that is considered to be appropriate, then maybe I should also reconsider the whole idea of not unfairly judging and making nasty jokes about people that appear to have a few more chromosomes than I do.

You haven't read your New Testament lately, now have you? Christians are supposed to preach- that's an absolute requirement. Tell thee what, we have a new poster 'The Venerable' who seems to be a man of the cloth- we should ask him to quote a few verses from the good book, to back up my assertion or knock it down in flames. You know that makes sense?

I am a teacher at Huizhou University. I have lived and worked in China for over 5 years. I would like to state that huizhou University is one of the best places I have worked. In the first place, I live at the University hotel while they are working on the teacher aparments and service at the hotel is excellent. the hotel is a gorgeous building; the lobby is beautiful and spacious, on par with a four star hotel in the states.

You are either a bigger downs than Beelzebub or you are just a non-native speaker.

The school is updating their classrooms. One building is installing new desks and chairs. In another building, new computer equipment. Each class has a computer and projector, which I need for all my classes. One Friday, the maintenance locked all the computers; no problem as a student called the maintenance number listed on the counsole; he came in 5 minutes and opened the computer and we had class.

'Opened the computer?' = You are definitely a Chinese person who has failed very badly at pretending to be a foreigner. Please quietly bugger off [edited]

My bonus? got it all, no problem, along with a spending cards from my department!

The singular 'a' combined with a plural? Really, just [edited] for failing to understand the wonderful foreign term of 'gift voucher'.

Best school I have ever worked.

You seem to be missing something.

School is in the beautiful setting of a mountain, so if you need some excercise, you can go climb a beautiful mountain and get a gorgeous view of the city.

Something that only Chinese people ever say. It is a stupid activity that impoverished farmers' grown-up offspring enjoy because they are too tight to actually spend any money. Also the bosses of the company are also too tight to spend any money on something for the vast majority of their staff. They talk about 'climbing a mountain' like it is going to be an epic journey up an Himalayan peak, but it is only ever a long pointless walk up a slightly steep hill. It's a common part of Chinese culture that we have to tolerate, but only newcomers to China are ever amazed by staff trips to mountains, lol.

That's because Westerners tend to have better things to do like looking at pictures of cats on the internet, going to bars and clubs and sorry... Did I forget to tell you that we usually prefer to play sports or go to gyms to do exercise?

What the unversity should do is connect the coming teachers with the veteran teachers to verify that the school does all this.

Yes, and there's more and this is a valuable resource

China Foreign Teachers’ Quick Reference Guide
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/china-info/index.pl?read=4064

Written by Gregory Mavrides, PhD of www.middlekingdomlife.com

He is one switched on guy.

And just in case there are any teachers who feel an act of stupidity coming on and feel the to apply to any recruiters or training centres especially after posts from recruiters and/or training centre staff who have been coerced (or are just a bit too creepy) into writing propaganda as "positive" stuff - then I suggest they read this post....

How to Identify the Reputable Recruiters and the Illegitimate Recruiters in China
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/china-info/index.pl?read=3942

Now that's what I call a positive post.

idiots here who....got scammed due to their own stupidity.

So getting a job and working in China is some kind of lottery for stupid idiots....As in "some you win and some you don't"

A very revealing statement on the nature of Chinese recruiters and training centres.

There's always a luck factor involved in the way that all things in life pan out. However, whether you use a recruiter- a job divining wand, or a chum tips you off, it is always the FT's own responsibility to check out employers- it's too bloody easy to keep blaming some-body else, in order to distance yourself from your own slipshod approach and consequent bad outcome.

Nobody ever posts to praise a good school. After all, why you want to attract competition for your job? If I work at a good school, I'm keeping it secret from everybody apart from any of my friends who might looking for a job.

Oh wow, a positive post! Sadly, you will get 100 negative replies from people who have no experience working in this school, or no knowledge of it except for negative reviews on this site. These "negative nancies" are ruining all positive things on this site. There are good teaching positions in China, hopefully good people aren't being turned away from them by the idiots here who got fired or scammed due to their own stupidity.

Some dodgy punctuation and excessive amounts of China rimming. Definitely not a real foreigner, lol.