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Michael Joseph Beauchot - 2004-05-23
In response to Korea: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents (Mary Choi (Seoul))

Mary Choi shows the prejudice of some Koreans in a way that I would never have been able to illustrate in amillion years. Thanks, Mary.

Let's look at her points:

Most of the teachers in Korea can't even adapt to their societies.
Really? Of course, she offers no evidence of this. I worked with a dozen fellow foreigners in a Korean school and each one of them were healthy, happy members of their own societies who saw the Korean experience as a chance to help people in another culture while getting invaluable experience themselves and (yes) make some good money,too.

At home they would be homeless or unemployed(which she spelled wrong) living with their parents.

Well, if this were true, it would simply mean that standards in Korea are so LOW that even the dregs elsewhere can succeed in Korea. Of course, the statement is just plain not true. I worked as a teacher more than two decades before coming to teach in Korea. Some of the teachers in Korea are indeed in their first jobs, but that can be attributed more to the inane insistence of many Korean schools on teachers being under a set age.

Mental cases-violent among them abound.

Tempted here to tell Mary that it takes one to know one. But I don't want to be victimized by her violence. In a society where corporal punishment is an accepted part of school "discipline", I really don't think any Koreans should be calling foreigners violent. Plus, my own experience is not a single violent act took plac in the school where I taught.

Most of them are fly-in and they don't have any money at arrival time

I doubt that many people arrive in Korea with no money to teach. As far as being fly-in is concerned, how does she expect foreigners to get to South Korea? That mess the Koreans have acalled North Korea is not exactly a very safe and accessible place to cross into South Korea by land.

Many of them never taught a dog how to retrive a stick.

OK, Mary. Here's a lesson for a dog. It is NOT 'retrive'. It is spelled 'retrieve'. Never once have I seen a hagwon ad asking for the teacher to teach dogs how to retrieve sticks. Besides, this being Korea, the dogs are being eaten, not trained. It is sad that she would use this metaphor to try to make a point - especially since many Korean schools seem to think education is simply a matter of getting children to perform 'animal-like' tricks.

And let's look at her last point- point f(for failure in her bid to make a good case) verbatim

f- all they do is complain about our schools, but no a word a the hundreds working part time ilegally and avoiding taxes or serving time in our jails

Nice spelling, Mary. ( A brief tangential comment here. Notice not ALL foreigners spell better than natives.) First of all, I know of no teacher who ONLY complains about the schools in Korea. Second, woerking part-time is NOT illegal - it is the Korean schools that require a teacher to sign a coontractthat says they can't work outside the schools that are breaking KOREAN labor laws. Third, there are hundreds of foreigners serving time in Koreean jails? I doubt it.

Messages In This Thread
Korea: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Mary Choi (Seoul) -- 2004-05-23
Mary---Typical Revisionist -- Pucky -- 2005-02-09
What do you mean by: -- Alex -- 2005-02-09
You can keep your country Mary Choi. *No message* -- KM -- 2005-02-09
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- non-white canadian -- 2004-09-21
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Daryl -- 2004-06-08
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Michael Joseph Beauchot -- 2004-06-08
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- American in Asia -- 2004-06-07
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Michael Joseph Beauchot -- 2004-06-07
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- LH -- 2004-06-01
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Michael Joseph Beauchot -- 2004-06-01
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Katy Yeong -- 2004-05-30
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Athena -- 2004-05-31
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- -- 2004-06-01
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- razoo -- 2004-06-06
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- -- 2004-06-06
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Michael Joseph Beauchot -- 2004-05-30
Re: Only good young teachers allowed: my 2 1/2 cents -- Mike -- 2004-05-27
Re: Only good young teachers allowed: my 2 1/2 cents -- Chunping Alex Wu -- 2004-06-04
Re: Only good young teachers allowed: my 2 1/2 cents -- razoo -- 2004-06-06
A belated response to Razoo -- Chunping Alex Wu -- 2005-02-11
Re Only good young teachers allowed:2 1/2 cents -- Felix -- 2005-02-12
To Felix -- Chunping Alex Wu -- 2005-02-13
Re To Felix -- Felix -- 2005-02-13
To Felix -- Chunping Alex Wu -- 2005-02-14
Right! The Chinese students should choose their teachers !!!! *No message* -- s.b. -- 2005-02-11
I agree with you !!! *No message* -- XYZ -- 2005-02-11
Re: Only good young teachers allowed: my 2 1/2 cents -- Chunping Alex Wu -- 2004-07-31
Re: Only good young teachers allowed: my 2 1/2 cents -- Michael Joseph Beauchot -- 2004-05-27
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Clara Kim -- 2004-05-26
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Michael Joseph Beauchot -- 2004-05-26
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- recruiter 45 -- 2004-05-25
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Clara Kim -- 2004-05-26
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- razoo -- 2004-06-06
*** DISAPPOINTING STORY *** -- Mel (Seoul) -- 2004-06-23
Re: *** DISAPPOINTING STORY *** -- Mel -- 2004-06-24
Re: *** DISAPPOINTING STORY *** -- Rose K. B.Ed, M.A., Ph.D., School Director -- 2004-06-24
Re: *** DISAPPOINTING STORY *** -- Kei -- 2004-06-24
Re: *** DISAPPOINTING STORY *** -- boots43 -- 2004-06-25
Re: *** DISAPPOINTING STORY *** -- boots43 -- 2004-06-23
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Sinophile -- 2004-05-27
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Michael Joseph Beauchot -- 2004-05-26
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Michael Joseph Beauchot -- 2004-05-26
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Athena -- 2004-05-26
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Michael Joseph Beauchot -- 2004-05-26
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Baek -- 2004-05-26
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Chunping Alex Wu -- 2004-08-01
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Athena -- 2004-05-27
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Katy Yeong -- 2004-05-29
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Chunping Alex Wu -- 2004-08-01
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Chunping Alex Wu -- 2004-08-01
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- my 100 won -- 2004-05-29
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Athena -- 2004-05-30
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Nancy Park -- 2004-06-05
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Michael Joseph Beauchot -- 2004-06-06
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Incheon -- 2004-06-05
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- razoo -- 2004-06-06
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Michael Joseph Beauchot -- 2004-06-06
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Michael Joseph Beauchot -- 2004-05-30
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Jacky -- 2004-05-28
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Sinophile -- 2004-05-29
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Athena -- 2004-05-29
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Pete M. -- 2004-05-28
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Chunping Alex Wu -- 2004-08-01
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Michael Joseph Beauchot -- 2004-05-29
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Nancy P. -- 2004-05-27
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Athena -- 2004-05-27
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Michael Joseph Beauchot -- 2004-05-26
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Branded man in Asia -- 2004-05-25
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Incheon -- 2004-05-25
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- razoo -- 2004-06-06
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- My additional 2 cents. -- 2004-05-24
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Budda -- 2004-05-25
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Sinophile -- 2004-05-24
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- n/a -- 2004-05-24
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- razoo -- 2004-06-06
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Sinophile -- 2004-05-25
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Alan -- 2004-05-24
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Alan -- 2004-05-24
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Alan -- 2004-05-23
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- llll -- 2004-05-24
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Clara Kim -- 2004-05-26
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Michael Joseph Beauchot -- 2004-05-26
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Robin Day -- 2004-05-24
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Alan -- 2004-05-23
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Michael Joseph Beauchot -- 2004-05-23
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Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Michael Joseph Beauchot -- 2004-05-23
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Michael Joseph Beauchot -- 2004-05-23
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Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Michael Joseph Beauchot -- 2004-05-23
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Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Matt Jones MA -- 2004-06-21
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Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Excellent post. -- 2004-06-13
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- John -- 2004-06-10
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Michael Joseph Beauchot -- 2004-06-10
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Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- GREAT POST! Sakana -- 2004-06-08
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Michael Joseph Beauchot -- 2004-06-08
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- razoo -- 2004-06-06
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Eric -- 2004-05-28
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- -- 2004-05-26
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Michael Joseph Beauchot -- 2004-06-01
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Julie -- 2004-06-08
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Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Michael Joseph Beauchot -- 2004-06-09
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Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Michael Joseph Beauchot -- 2004-06-09
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Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Michael Joseph Beauchot -- 2004-06-09
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Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Michael Joseph Beauchot -- 2004-06-09
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- professor Kraig (Spain) -- 2004-05-25
Re: Only good teachers allowed: my 2 cents -- Michael Joseph Beauchot -- 2004-05-26
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