I hate those type of individuals you mentioned also. I think Chiang Mai could be alright for a white MGTOW though if he looked in the right places.

Many people either love Chiang Mai or hate it.

I'm personally indifferent to Chiang Mai. Probably because I like coastal areas but also because in January to April the air is very polluted because of farmers burning vegetation.
Often there is no breeze either.

It also does not have that vibe and energy that Pattaya has. I've heard complaints about CM, "too many rats", "boring", "dirty".

As for rats, Pattaya has them also but I have not seen hordes of them. I saw a lot more when I lived in Nanning.

The main beach in Pattaya was also very polluted up till recently, especially between Soi 7 and Walking Street.

Last time I was there I noticed a big improvement in water quality and no rubbish on the beaches. It fact the water near Soi 12 was an opal blue colour, unusual to see this.
Still got the pests on Beach Road however, the touts selling all sorts of shit.

I agree with you that Chiang Mai has a lot of young hipster or wannabe hipster types from places like San Francisco, London, or eastern Sydney who really have no talent and live off the savings of their often super wealthy parents.

A much different demographic to Pattaya, where it's mostly the 55-70 y/o single or divorced MGTOW's and self-made retired small businessman or tradies from the West with a lot of disposable income. Then you have the 23-35 year old Western gym junkie/steroid muncher type men who just don't like white women and save up all their cash for their twice a year junket to Patts to get their rocks off.

Interesting contrasts!