Morticia
- 2004-10-16
> Hi,
> One way to avoid being fleeced is to get past employees to referee
> for the school before even accepting a job there. Put the pressure on
> THEM, not ewe. Make a united force!!!!!
> Baa..rbara.....seize the day. 
...........................................
Morticia says "Survey the field, do your homework, don't jump into it blindly, know what you are getting into. Think about which types of schools might be the best ones, use your contacts-or develop some, don't be alone, travel with company, get a travelling companion. Wait and act, not react. Patience!!!!!!!!" 
me
- 2004-10-15
> I posted the same message in the wrong spot, so here it is in the
> right spot!
> ...........................................................................
> BUILDING THE UNION BASED ON SMALL TEACHERS GROUPS!
> A union can start, as one of you dear ones said it, from small
> gatherings in each area/city.
> We each can start where we are. That's how anything starts anyway!:)
> We don't have to call it a 'Union' - specially if it is in a country
> with a totalitarian regime and Mafia gangs controlling the cities
> (like in a few of SE Asian countries).
> Instead we can call our gatherings 'Teachers Circle', 'Teacher
> Buddies', ... No matter where - we can MOVE TOWARDS THE GOAL OF
> CREATING THE "TEACHERS SIBLINGHOOD"
> The smaller groups in a city, can meet once a week, and all of them
> can meet in a big party, once a month in a nice ballroom. I am sure a
> bunch of good connections, and even future marriages will spring from
> these parties.
> The future is in our hands and in the great creator's who certainly
> wants us to care for, and to support each other more and more.
> TEACHERS GATHERING IN SMALL GROUPS:
> For example: We can gather our friend teachers from our neighborhood,
> in a coffee shop, once a week, and just enjoy chatting with each
> other. But have a rule or two for the meeting, so that it does stay
> based on love and care.
> For example we can say: 1-we are here to help and to empower the
> group (not to discourage each other). 2- We are here to enjoy our
> time and to help each other and other teachers around the globe.
> The teacher friends when gathered, normally tend to help each other
> when organized to avoid discord. Teacher, when gathered, are seen to
> be:
> A- Giving each other information. How to have a better school life.
> How to teach easily and successfully. How to make friends with your
> school's staff and management. ...
> B- Giving legal advice, or guide the person to a place where they can
> get legal advice. There are plenty of free 'Legal Aid' places, even
> in the 3rd world countries.
> C- Giving a hand, if a teacher has to leave a school, so she/he does
> not feel alone against the world!!
> D- Build a Power Group.Most 'bully Employers' are afraid of groups.
> If in fear, have the group visit each member's school during the
> break time. Soon the employers get the message that this person is
> not abusable because he/she is not "alone". (Just about all
> Orientals, think a 'lone' person is weak and easy to abuse. That's
> why it is hard to find an oriental person alone!)
> Women also will specially benefit from 'showing off their foreign
> male friends' at their workplaces, if there is a fear of 'sexual
> harassment', for example.
> Also the group can help with simple sharing of info. For example, in
> case of anyone in your group wanting to enter a new contract, with
> any employer in Korea, Japan, Thailand, China, or anywhere else in
> the world, you can suggest to them to read this posting, before:
> http://www.geocities.com/victoryolife/contractkr There, they will
> learn a bit about 'how to find tricks in employment contracts', and
> 'how to add a sentence in the contract to save them from a year of
> unhappiness at work!
>
> ...........................................................................
> IT IS EASY TO BUILD A GOOD SUPPORT GROUP OVER A MONTHS TIME
> Lets create the "TEACHERS SIBLINGHOOD" from today, and let
> it begin with me and you!
> What we can do to start a group?
> We can give a few fliers to the teachers of the schools nearby, and
> we can ask them to join if they like, in posting posters in our area
> and in the main shopping areas where teachers frequent.
> The poster, can read something like:
> .......
> "COME TO TEACHERS PARTY"
> We meet at the Joe's Cafe in BMV Mall
> This Saturday 7 to 9 PM.
> If you see a white man in blue shirt,
> wave, and we will meet!
> .......
> There you can ask them "How can we make a group to really
> strengthen the teachers position?"
> Allow each group the freedom to design its own destiny, at the same
> time that we all can keep in touch and enrich our international
> group. The Union will come by itself!
> "Think Globally, Act Locally!" Said the Yogi on the
> rooftop!
> .................................
> Our friend in Japan, has posted a few links we can check and see how
> the union works there. And let's Pour in the practical ideas, and
> let's make a commitment to gathering friends, and while having fun
> expand our circle!
> Love ya, all!
> Alan
Let's be honest - the idea of a teacher's union is almost certainly not going to work - most of the people in this EFL game are not trained teachers to begin with and can be easily replaced- this is why the wages are low. The trained teachers involved - like myself - do not like the idea of unions to begin with - fleeing from teachers unions is one of the best reasons for a qualified, certificated teacher to go overseas to begin with.
Baa-rbara
- 2004-10-15
> 
> Hi Alan and everyone,
> If any of you esl teachers are at home and want to do something for
> rights of esl teachers here is a suggestion..hang out with trainee
> lawyers from Asia.
> Be nice and see what comes of it. You might get some more leads on
> how to get legal action...just a thought. An English and law
> exchange.
> LOVE from Aldyth.
Hi,
One way to avoid being fleeced is to get past employees to referee for the school before even accepting a job there. Put the pressure on THEM, not ewe. Make a united force!!!!!
Baa..rbara.....seize the day.
Aldyth
- 2004-10-14
> Thank you dear Aldyth, & dear "ESL in Asia",
> You are wise! Great information!
> Something we all can do now, is to contact a Legal Aid Office in the
> country we are, and get a free advice on creating a union, there!
> There are legal aid places even in Vietnam! Asking our smart local
> friends, is a sure way to get there.
> Search, and you shall find!
> Love ya buds,
> Alan
Hi Alan and everyone,
If any of you esl teachers are at home and want to do something for rights of esl teachers here is a suggestion..hang out with trainee lawyers from Asia.
Be nice and see what comes of it. You might get some more leads on how to get legal action...just a thought. An English and law exchange.
LOVE from Aldyth.
Alan
- 2004-10-14
Thank you dear Aldyth, & dear "ESL in Asia",
You are wise! Great information!
Something we all can do now, is to contact a Legal Aid Office in the country we are, and get a free advice on creating a union, there! There are legal aid places even in Vietnam! Asking our smart local friends, is a sure way to get there.
Search, and you shall find!
Love ya buds,
Alan
Aldyth
- 2004-10-14
> I posted the same message in the wrong spot, so here it is in the
> right spot! 
>
> ...........................................................................
> BUILDING THE UNION BASED ON SMALL TEACHERS GROUPS!
> A union can start, as one of you dear ones said it, from small
> gatherings in each area/city.
> We each can start where we are. That's how anything starts anyway!:)
> We don't have to call it a 'Union' - specially if it is in a country
> with a totalitarian regime and Mafia gangs controlling the cities
> (like in a few of SE Asian countries).
> Instead we can call our gatherings 'Teachers Circle', 'Teacher
> Buddies', ... No matter where - we can MOVE TOWARDS THE GOAL OF
> CREATING THE "TEACHERS SIBLINGHOOD"
> The smaller groups in a city, can meet once a week, and all of them
> can meet in a big party, once a month in a nice ballroom. I am sure a
> bunch of good connections, and even future marriages will spring from
> these parties.
> The future is in our hands and in the great creator's who certainly
> wants us to care for, and to support each other more and more.
> TEACHERS GATHERING IN SMALL GROUPS:
> For example: We can gather our friend teachers from our neighborhood,
> in a coffee shop, once a week, and just enjoy chatting with each
> other. But have a rule or two for the meeting, so that it does stay
> based on love and care.
> For example we can say: 1-we are here to help and to empower the
> group (not to discourage each other). 2- We are here to enjoy our
> time and to help each other and other teachers around the globe.
> The teacher friends when gathered, normally tend to help each other
> when organized to avoid discord. Teacher, when gathered, are seen to
> be:
> A- Giving each other information. How to have a better school life.
> How to teach easily and successfully. How to make friends with your
> school's staff and management. ...
> B- Giving legal advice, or guide the person to a place where they can
> get legal advice. There are plenty of free 'Legal Aid' places, even
> in the 3rd world countries.
> C- Giving a hand, if a teacher has to leave a school, so she/he does
> not feel alone against the world!!
> D- Build a Power Group.Most 'bully Employers' are afraid of groups.
> If in fear, have the group visit each member's school during the
> break time. Soon the employers get the message that this person is
> not abusable because he/she is not "alone". (Just about all
> Orientals, think a 'lone' person is weak and easy to abuse. That's
> why it is hard to find an oriental person alone!)
> Women also will specially benefit from 'showing off their foreign
> male friends' at their workplaces, if there is a fear of 'sexual
> harassment', for example.
> Also the group can help with simple sharing of info. For example, in
> case of anyone in your group wanting to enter a new contract, with
> any employer in Korea, Japan, Thailand, China, or anywhere else in
> the world, you can suggest to them to read this posting, before:
> http://www.geocities.com/victoryolife/contractkr There, they will
> learn a bit about 'how to find tricks in employment contracts', and
> 'how to add a sentence in the contract to save them from a year of
> unhappiness at work!
>
> ...........................................................................
> IT IS EASY TO BUILD A GOOD SUPPORT GROUP OVER A MONTHS TIME
> Lets create the "TEACHERS SIBLINGHOOD" from today, and let
> it begin with me and you!
> What we can do to start a group?
> We can give a few fliers to the teachers of the schools nearby, and
> we can ask them to join if they like, in posting posters in our area
> and in the main shopping areas where teachers frequent.
> The poster, can read something like:
> .......
> "COME TO TEACHERS PARTY"
> We meet at the Joe's Cafe in BMV Mall
> This Saturday 7 to 9 PM.
> If you see a white man in blue shirt,
> wave, and we will meet!
> .......
> There you can ask them "How can we make a group to really
> strengthen the teachers position?"
> Allow each group the freedom to design its own destiny, at the same
> time that we all can keep in touch and enrich our international
> group. The Union will come by itself!
> "Think Globally, Act Locally!" Said the Yogi on the
> rooftop!
> .................................
> Our friend in Japan, has posted a few links we can check and see how
> the union works there. And let's Pour in the practical ideas, and
> let's make a commitment to gathering friends, and while having fun
> expand our circle!
> Love ya, all!
> Alan
WE need to make rapid progress from social groups to Government enforced Laws protecting the ESL teacher in Asia. It is in their interests. If you think how can the Government get some money from esl teachers, it isn't too hard is it? I mean they get their taxes from the teachers, the successful schools, get the directors and support staff, bus drivers off the social security system. I mean, it works for them too. In Korea, the ESL teacher contributes towards the elderly pension scheme a certain percentage, all of which the ESL teacher will never see.
If teachers don't go, then how can the people of the nation scoop these benefits?
COME ON ESL, LETS GO! Get into action. Send these ideas to your lawyer friends that you know and get their ideas. Aldyth doesn't have any lawyers in her family!!!!;(
Remeber to stay focused in your little groups when you meet. Have a few minutes of planning for the future of the industry before devouring your Cass and soju.
LOVE eternally,
Aldyth 
I posted the same message in the wrong spot, so here it is in the right spot!
...........................................................................
BUILDING THE UNION BASED ON SMALL TEACHERS GROUPS!
A union can start, as one of you dear ones said it, from small gatherings in each area/city.
We each can start where we are. That's how anything starts anyway!:)
We don't have to call it a 'Union' - specially if it is in a country with a totalitarian regime and Mafia gangs controlling the cities (like in a few of SE Asian countries).
Instead we can call our gatherings 'Teachers Circle', 'Teacher Buddies', ... No matter where - we can MOVE TOWARDS THE GOAL OF CREATING THE "TEACHERS SIBLINGHOOD"
The smaller groups in a city, can meet once a week, and all of them can meet in a big party, once a month in a nice ballroom. I am sure a bunch of good connections, and even future marriages will spring from these parties.
The future is in our hands and in the great creator's who certainly wants us to care for, and to support each other more and more.
TEACHERS GATHERING IN SMALL GROUPS:
For example: We can gather our friend teachers from our neighborhood, in a coffee shop, once a week, and just enjoy chatting with each other. But have a rule or two for the meeting, so that it does stay based on love and care.
For example we can say: 1-we are here to help and to empower the group (not to discourage each other). 2- We are here to enjoy our time and to help each other and other teachers around the globe.
The teacher friends when gathered, normally tend to help each other when organized to avoid discord. Teacher, when gathered, are seen to be:
A- Giving each other information. How to have a better school life. How to teach easily and successfully. How to make friends with your school's staff and management. ...
B- Giving legal advice, or guide the person to a place where they can get legal advice. There are plenty of free 'Legal Aid' places, even in the 3rd world countries.
C- Giving a hand, if a teacher has to leave a school, so she/he does not feel alone against the world!!
D- Build a Power Group.Most 'bully Employers' are afraid of groups. If in fear, have the group visit each member's school during the break time. Soon the employers get the message that this person is not abusable because he/she is not "alone". (Just about all Orientals, think a 'lone' person is weak and easy to abuse. That's why it is hard to find an oriental person alone!)
Women also will specially benefit from 'showing off their foreign male friends' at their workplaces, if there is a fear of 'sexual harassment', for example.
Also the group can help with simple sharing of info. For example, in case of anyone in your group wanting to enter a new contract, with any employer in Korea, Japan, Thailand, China, or anywhere else in the world, you can suggest to them to read this posting, before: http://www.geocities.com/victoryolife/contractkr There, they will learn a bit about 'how to find tricks in employment contracts', and 'how to add a sentence in the contract to save them from a year of unhappiness at work!
...........................................................................
IT IS EASY TO BUILD A GOOD SUPPORT GROUP OVER A MONTHS TIME
Lets create the "TEACHERS SIBLINGHOOD" from today, and let it begin with me and you!
What we can do to start a group?
We can give a few fliers to the teachers of the schools nearby, and we can ask them to join if they like, in posting posters in our area and in the main shopping areas where teachers frequent.
The poster, can read something like:
.......
"COME TO TEACHERS PARTY"
We meet at the Joe's Cafe in BMV Mall
This Saturday 7 to 9 PM.
If you see a white man in blue shirt,
wave, and we will meet!
.......
There you can ask them "How can we make a group to really strengthen the teachers position?"
Allow each group the freedom to design its own destiny, at the same time that we all can keep in touch and enrich our international group. The Union will come by itself!
"Think Globally, Act Locally!" Said the Yogi on the rooftop!
.................................
Our friend in Japan, has posted a few links we can check and see how the union works there. And let's Pour in the practical ideas, and let's make a commitment to gathering friends, and while having fun expand our circle!
Love ya, all!
Alan