However, the "they are now advertising for people from africa or asia because they can't find any sod motivated enough in manchester" I'm suspicious about; i don't think British people are the ones they want to hire, whether they are lazy or not. It is largely discrimination against the British by the British in their own country. Once they have a few foreigners they want to add more so they gel together- and of course low wages often come into the equation.

Agree and disagree in equal measure, not that I mean to impune your posting.

I can say that there are a lot who do not want to do care work, they don't like to clean up after others, and the welfare creates a lazy sense of entitlement.It could well be discrimination, but when people advertise for workers and they get no replies, they will look elsewhere. I worked in israel doing renovation work, israeli youth did not want to do it, too hot, too much like hard work, and they get good government welfare, even free housing and food on the kibbutzim. The problem with countries like ours run by socialists (champagne socialists) is that it does generate laziness and entitlement. The example I gave of israel is just one--jewish people generally are pretty hard working and have a good work ethic, but welfare has made the young israelis lazy, they have a cradle to grave system, so why should they get their hands dirty? That is their mentality. I am not afraid of hard work, despite what CL and others may think of me,the only person who judges you is the reflection in the mirror, noone else.