You.ve messed up the thread by changing the heading. So,just in case you missed my reply to 'Reconciled', which you've agreed with totally, I've posted the link below for your benefit:

http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/forum/index.pl?read=60951

I fully agree; the approach in this suggested by Oldtimer is not helpful when looking in the mirror next morning and will make you lose your face!

Incidentally, it's lose face, not lose your face!