Thanks for the info Gibson. I have had doubts about EF English First since I first contacted them in the States a few years back. They expect a lot of hours from their teachers for a salary that is less than adequate for the work. Their promises of rising up the corporate ladder seems to be the biggest lure for the unsuspecting. The fact that the managers in China are Chinese adds a new dimension to an already iffy situation. If you've seen some of my other postings here, you know that I'm not much of a proponent of the corporate profit takers and their underhanded activities. Anyway, it's great that you're giving the warning. There are still a lot of newly certified teachers that would benefit greatly from such information if we could just get them to read the postings. Therein lies the problem. Lately, I've been thinking that it would be a good idea to get such information into the hands of the administrators of TESOL schools in the States. What do you think?