your not understanding my point ,,,,, i ain't saying chinese should or will lose the caracters and go to all Pin Yin ,,, i was arguin the theretical basis ,,,,,, some body said you had to have caracters for "obvious linguistic reasons' ,,,,, but it really ain't that obvious because as the case of the Dungan of the former Soviet Socialist Republics shows ,,,,,,, sinetic languages can and have been written entirely in alphabetic forms ,,,,,,, the Dungan have even had signifacant newspapers and other periodacals ,,, ,, so any argument that chinese and hanzi are inextricably linked is specious ,,,,, thats all im sayin ...,,