you aint gonna get no argument from me that basicaly chinese is culturaly linked with the han zi caracters ---every body knows that . but a lot of chinese like to say its impossible to have the chinese language without the han zi and that regularly writing it in pin yin would be impossible ,, and a lot of westerners buy in to the myth , .. well when you have an absolute statement like that do you know how many counter exampels you need to dis prove it ? exactly one . well, here we have it , the dungan , you can say thats picking out anedotal evedents or what ever ,, but if you look at the theoryies of logical argument ,, you only need the one counter example to dis prove he blanket statment ,