At this point I find myself single-handedly taking on a group of middle-aged or older men who have dominated this whole forum for years. They seem to agree that it is not only OK to have sex with one's university students (as long as they are over the legal age of 19, otherwise it's wrong), but one poster in particular, thinks all Chinese "women" over 20 should be having sex, and a middle-aged foreigner is the only person to teach them because he has sexual skills that no Chinese man possesses. This kind of drivel is extremely offensive, racist, and misogynistic, which is why I suspect few women survived the bullying they get here from a small coterie of sexpat men, who, customarily attack all Western women as "2nd rate" while they themselves are undoubtedly not better themselves, and probably a good deal worse looking.
In any case, I have proven that having sex with one's university students is against the law and punishable by imprisonment in the States if the students are 17-18, and even if they are 21 or older in a few states. This is because of the teacher/student relationship, which is one of power. The teacher has authority over the student, AND he or she is entrusted to teach the student, not take advantage of proximity to younger people in order to try to take advantage of them sexually. I'm sure you all know it's against the "code of conduct" for teachers to sleep with students are ANY place of learning where there is an instructor/student relationship.
Contrary to the assertions of some outspoken advocates of [edited] the youngest students that can be considered "women" by law in China, it is NOT a conservative position to want to look out for students and allow them to choose their sexual partners from among their peers, without the interference of teachers (notice that nobody here is complaining about adult students having sex with their peers), and especially without teachers breaking the code of conduct to try to have sex with the students themselves. On the contrary, this is a liberal policy intended to insure that students get a quality education and have the best chance of a prosperous future without being harmed along the way by thoughtless, careless, selfish and self-serving older adult teachers.
This is really a no-brainer, and any man who struts around bragging about sex with students is a disgrace to the profession of teaching. Further, such men, of which abound in Asia, have seriously tarnished the reputation of foreign teachers overseas, and probably also lost us respect and compromised the salaries we are given.
Aside from the fact that one could at very least lose one's job in the West for having sex with students, or go to prison, there are the professional reasons one should not do it, as follows:
- Students will lose respect for the teacher, because he has brought himself down to their level by positioning himself as a suitable sexual partner for them. Many will also recognize the moral lapse. The teacher is no longer a role model, but someone who is trying to be one of the students himself.
- Students will become suspicious and distrustful of the teacher, not knowing if their grades reflect his assessment of them physically/sexually, whether or not they are flirting enough… They will suspect the girl who is having sex with the teacher may be getting a better grade than she deserves. Obviously, any idea of a fair education is out the window.
Of course, none of this matters to the middle-aged sexpat who goes online strutting his sexual conquests and attacking those who would condemn his actions as mere advantage taking. He will sideline that fact that nobody is arguing against sex, or against having sex with people who are younger that are NOT his students. He will do anything but address the actual teacher/student factor.
Lastly, for anyone who is thinking of having sex with his students, there is a clear cut answer to your moral quandry = Don't do it! Go find yourself a girlfriend outside of your school. This is the same as the doctor/patient code, or the psychologist/patient code.
I can't waste any more time with the small posse of sexpats who continually attack and insult Western women, while spewing racist rhetoric about Chinese women. If this were a debate, I won it a long, long time ago. But isn't. This is a forum, the majority rules, and the last person to post is always right. Thus I cannot possibly win this argument as some posters have been on here for at least 3-4 years, and will continue to repeat already defeated ludicrous arguments.
I know I won this argument. It was a piece of cake. You can't defend [edited] your students. [edited]
Cheers.
[If I'm not here to shoot down the sexpat drivel, it's because I already have, and I'm not just going to do it over and over]
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