they're humilliating smokers-speaking down to them- suggesting they're disgusting.

I don't think that is the point dragon, myself, or the OP are trying to make.

Look, I enjoy a cigar from time to time, but never cigarettes, but each to their own. But when I smoke a cigar it is something I do in private, perhaps on a flat balcony or outside, where it doesn't bother or irritate others, smoking in restuarants, with a no smoking sign is impolite and rude, now I know it is not enforced in other parts of the world, but I can't even mention the UK or USA because foxy will retort this is not those places...so it is a no win argument. Each side has their own opinion, I just don't understand why he cannot accept that. Telling people to eff off seems a bit rude and dour faced, but then by his own admission he is a loner. Nothing personal, but being aggressive in posts, won't win friends, but I suspect you and he don't care about that one jot, good luck to you both.