I'm sorry if I hijacked the thread. Maybe I'll begin a different thread. Maybe I should tone it down to 'over-reliance on handouts and other non-traditional teaching methods' I do feel that the other poster has over a long period pushed printer-teaching and computer relied teaching too much. Just you carry on please, since there is no need for you to get involved, as you said you didn't want to. I shall in the future be more careful about the threads I answer. I certainly do not want you to bite.