Oh I've given up trying now. They don't want academic discourse... And while the owners and mods of this board are happy to allow it to continue this board will never be a teachers board, merely a place for like minded bigots to bemoan all things China whilst trying desperately to get themselves a Chinese girlfriend.

The only reason I continue to post here is to offer a some actual teaching knowledge to counter their warped view of the profession to make sure people reading this board for the first time know that they are certainly not indicative of real teachers in the ESL community, they are simply conversation teachers who wouldn't know real teaching if it slapped them in the face... It's why there can't be academic discourse here, not when their idea of a good classroom exercise is doings anagrams and their knowledge of the wider implications of teaching ESL could be written on the back of a very small stamp.