They are completely lost causes, I wouldn't waste your time.trying to have a proper rational discussion with them!

As Turnoi has proven with his latest posts, he is unable to separate universal professor with state school teacher. €4-5000 per month?! High school teachers in the UK earn on average €2500 per month before tax! The problem you have with Turnoi is that he cannot (or will not) understand these very simple things

University teaching is not the be all and end all of the ESL world.

The majority of ESL teaching is done before a student arrives at university.

State school teaching of ESL is often done by a non-native speaker who then imparts incorrect information to their students, as an example I knew an Italian state school English teacher who thought ice-cream was pronounced 'eecha crema'

TCs and private schools, good ones mind you, provide small classes and qualified native English speaking teachers. This is much more beneficial to esl students than large classes taught by non-native speakers.

State/government-run schools are just as open to corruption as private schools, especially in China where Turnoi's own dean accepts bribes to pass failing students.

Curtis, your ideas for foreign owned private schools in.China is a good one. Don't listen to Turnoi and SB, they have Jo idea what they're talking about and will confine to repeat their tired and misinformed mantra despite the intelligent input they are faced with.