Re: I met Frank Zhang today, I want to say thanks to him, He is a very helpful man

Wow Frank. I've got to admire you for not giving up. But, nope, still not a native speaker. Who are you really trying to kid anyway? I suspect it's like a challenge for you at this point just to see if you can pull it off through your own attempts or through the attempts of other non-native speakers; however, it just ain't gonna cut it. Please keep trying though - as I've said before, your attempts are quite humorous if not slightly pathetic.
Bottom line...............stay away from Frank's agency - you'll not find anyone there predisposed to honorable actions.

Re: Vote to rename this the "Frank Zhang discussion forum"

To be honest I doubt you or any of your other aliases is capable of pointing out any mistakes. Oh you quote a sentence here and there, saying there "is" a mistake, however you don't actually say what that mistake is. My guess is your so unsure yourself as to it's nature that this is really the best you can do. Of course if that's the best you can do that's pretty sad.

Folks, the old "I am insecure in my abilities as an English teacher so I will attack the grammer and spelling of others" routine is so old on ESL forums as to be sickening. It is usually enacted by the most low, troll like creature who, since they lack the intellect to actually debate or argue with you in any way, instead do the one thing they can do. That of course being nit pick you to death, or try to. I wonder if they realize how transparently sad their actions are. Please note that, though they say they are pointing out errors, they actually are not. They are saying "here" is an error, and you say "Where, what error?" At this point they can say no more. It is basically a cheap attempt to distract and pull attention away from something else. It is also as I said, a way for someone who is insecure in their abilities to try and beef up their own ego by attacking others in the most petty of ways. Lastly it is really all they can do since they lack the intelligence to actually debate you. Yes, they can't stop counting mistakes, even if there aren't any, LOL. I doubt people of this nature could stop even if they wished to.

Sad, pathetic people who's only real achievement is to get your attention if they feel like they are being ignored. More Frank Zhang flunkies who deserve to be hung, then drawn and quartered I think. As for Sherlock Holmes, he's Chinese, as are the rest, more Frankie flunky losers.

You all need to get a life, and a real job, working for Frank seems to have rotted your brains beyond repair. Notice I'm not picking your posts apart for mistakes, and if I did, I could tell you what they were also Also notice Raoul Duke is not doing so, nor are any of the other "real" teachers on here, who are not Chinese by the way, and know that it is "barking up the wreong tree" not "barking at". Why not? Because it is base, petty, and beneath us, we don't stoop so low, so congrats

Losers.

Re: Vote to rename this the "Frank Zhang discussion forum"

The word 'do' is tricky to master, isn't it?

If I'm not nice here (your call) it's because this site, sadly, isn't stocked entirely with nice people.

Re: Vote to rename this the "Frank Zhang discussion forum"

Don't you just love people who say you need to improve your English, but they don't actually say what the problem is? They have no clue, it's just a smear tactic by a person of low intellect who lacks the creativity or imagination to counter your arguements. Yes, do keep the observations of mistakes you can not name coming, it's funny to hear someone decry loudly "You made a mistake, ha ha" but they can not actually say what that mistake is.

Welcome to the world of ESL everyone, where everyone is a know it all, but of course they can't actually tell you what they know. Isn't it grand, you keep those zingers coming OH wait, what zingers, you just alluding to zingers but not actually making them. Thats even better

Another Frank Zhang flunkie, or worse, an English teacher with no life. Hmm, hard to say which is worse, though from what I've seen the inane need to attempt to point out or create mistakes made by others simply points to a person having an insecure nature, and low self esteem. Now that's a mistake

Re: Vote to rename this the "Frank Zhang discussion forum"

First, Frank Zhang is not my buddy.
Second, there are a lot of training centres and very few public schools on Dave`s site. I am not interested in private schools.
Third, do something about your English !
" Yes but their is an inherent difference.."
"... coherant reasonable arguements ".
Raoul Duke is your buddy... Can you get a job from him ? Will he send you to teach even in a kindergarten ?

Re: Vote to rename this the "Frank Zhang discussion forum"

Ah, the river of garbage flows on.

I suppose that if anyone is really stupid enough to fall for this pitch, they probably deserve the treatment they're likely to get at the hands of the people putting it out there.

But it's pretty easy to sort this out, really.
Come to our site and look for yourself.
If you can find any evidence of recruiting activities, and the word FREE on our invitations to submit job ads is somehow not in your personal dictionary, then please: place yourself in the good hands of Frank Zhang and his legion of aliases and sock puppets, and find out for yourself what great guys they really are.

But this isn't going to happen, because the evidence doesn't exist. There are no actual events to generate any evidence in the first place.

There was one rather perspicacious question here, though:
"If you were an angel, why would others dislike you?"
To which I would reply: It's easy. Go find a devil, and ask them their opinion of angels. ;-{)
People who are up to no good generally prefer to go about their business quiet and sneaky-like, and don't take kindly to those who might try to shed light on what's going on.
I knew the mission was dangerous when I took it.

Re: Vote to rename this the "Frank Zhang discussion forum"

" Your no Sherlock Holmes though..."
" Live and let live is the recruiter motto I am sure, like any theives guild "
How many mistakes are in this last sentence, Choatle ? I don`t have time to correct all your mistakes in this posting.
Go back to the primary school, Choatle !
Chinese FAOs are paying fees to Dave Sperling to post on his site...and it`s not the best site for foreign teachers.

Re: Vote to rename this the "Frank Zhang discussion forum"

Yes but their is an inherent difference between Raoul Dukes site and a recruiter. He's just offering a board for schools to post. Even if he charged a fee for them to post there he isn't recruiting or endorsing them. Your logic is flawed, and if we follow your logic then Daves ESL Cafe is a recruiting site, since Dave himself has more ESL ad's posted by schools then any other website out there. You therefore believe Dave is a recruiter? This is broken Chinese logic, written by someone who is Chinese, or lacking in intelligence, or the ability to form coherant reasonable arguements. Go back to school and learn how to build logic upon solid reason pal, or your arguements will sound as retarded as your buddy Frank Zhang; as he continues to try and salvage his useless reputation.

Re: Vote to rename this the "Frank Zhang discussion forum"

You have no cheek, because you are a recruiter and not a polite or nice one with Chinese or foreign teachers.
The evidence:
http://www.raoulschinasaloon.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=337f2a395688d030543d8058124481ef&board=15.0
Surely, there are more job offers in your notebooks at home ! It`s a common practice in China: to post some job offers and to keep the rest in the files. Check the website: www.chinatefl.com ! Foreign teachers can contact FAOs by themselves and Helen from Hanzhou calls herself " a recruiter ". She doesn`t claim to be " a benefactor " for foreigners.

Re: Vote to rename this the "Frank Zhang discussion forum"

First of all, I am doing this research also for myself...
I have a ten-month contract at my present school. If Frank Zhang is a good recruiter, I will contact him for a 12-month contract with another school this summer.

Raoul Duke hates all Chinese recruiters, except Suzhou Maggie bluefish.
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl? read=14932
How is that possible, Raoul Duke ? Why is she better than others ?
Both of you live in Suzhou, Jiangsu. My scenario, Raoul Duke: Maggie provides the job offers and you, the foreign teachers for her schools.
The profit is shared fifty-fifty. How you get the teachers ? From your website: www.raoulschinasaloon.com.
There are more than 100 " barflies", foreign teachers, there. Are you not a recruiter in this case ?
I am not complaining here about Maggie. There is a fierce competition between Chinese recruiters. But I haven`t heard of one to offend another on this site or on others. This decency in business is lacking in the case of foreigners involved in the Chinese recruitment. When a Larry Romanoff or a Raoul Duke shows up with their gang....

Re: Vote to rename this the "Frank Zhang discussion forum"

Tell me, please, what`s a " frakus "?
What knowledge of grammar you have while writing " your dead wrong " or " then " instead of " than " ?
Are you the one to complain about others ?

Re: Vote to rename this the "Frank Zhang discussion forum"

Well first off your clearly Chinese, so he isn't going to be placing you in any jobs Pete, no money it it, there are a Billion of you after all, no recruiters needed to find Chinese employees. If your going to try and sound like an English speaking foreigner, you really need to learn how to talk like one.

Frank Zhang seems to think any advertsing is good advertising. He couldn't be more wrong. Of course I don't think Frank is all that bright or educated, just a good scam artist and crook, other then that, he's nothing special, that's for certain.

Frank, keep the BS coming, you tell the whole world what kind of man you are

Re: Vote to rename this the "Frank Zhang discussion forum"

Meanwhile, talks continue offline. Some hope.
My sole interest is to stop the abuse of foreign teachers...at least from this one corner of China.

However, please be advised that if anything happens to my site or me personally in the near future, it should be perfectly clear who is responsible for this.

There are also a local school and individuals involved in this matter, and they are planting a knife in the back of the foreign teaching community here. Details can and will be provided as necessary.

Re: Vote to rename this the "Frank Zhang discussion forum"

Quite humorous actually. I like the image of a dog barking "at" a tree. And being "expected" at the airport is always nice, but I think I'd rather be picked up or even warmly received.

Frank, your ghost writers don't do much better than you at providing believable testimonials. I'll tell you what. If the price is right, I'll be glad to do it for you............heaping glowing praise on charlatans is one of the pleasures I get out of life................not.

Well Frank, it seems as though your past is catching up to you. Maybe it's time to cash it in; find a nice cozy villa where you can retire in peace and anonymity. After all, how long can you keep laughing your way to the bank - sans consciousness? I'm guessing that deep down you're a really nice guy. You want to be liked - maybe that's why so many aliases; surely one of those guys would find acceptance.

Well, no matter what Frank, keep those cards and letters comin' won't ya? It's nice to have a nice variety of humor in one's life.

Re: Vote to rename this the "Frank Zhang discussion forum"

Without doubt, you've been paid, Ms. B, aka Sherlock Holmes. In fact, Frank earned his bad rep by his own actions. He can't point a blaming finger at other recruiters for his misteps. After all, they are competitors and he doesn't want to share the loot with them.

From what I know, 'Francesca' doesn't go out of his way to make teachers feel very wanted when they make the step to come here. He's well known for taking those shortcuts of his, such as *not* bothering to meet teachers at the airport and *not* being forthright with contract details; notably, he's been pulling off the 'bait & switch' trick for a number of years from what I know. And after the fact, he's known for trying to strongarm teachers into being, ahem, the best they can be regardless of whether his select schools bother to provide teaching materials. Teachers know about him, schools know about him, so why do promote him amidst all the fragging?

It appears that you, Sherlock, need to do the required detective work before posting biased, untrue accounts of Frank's recruiting habits. It's elementary you see.

Re: Vote to rename this the "Frank Zhang discussion forum"

You are barking at the wrong tree !
Frank Zhang is one of the best recruiters in China. Larry Romanoff and Raoul Duke are lazy guys looking for an easy buck in the recruitment field.
The good points of Frank Zhang:
1 ) in most cases, he provides a 12-month contract and residence permit
2 ) he doesn`t take money from teachers
3 ) he is polite and nice with " his foreign teachers ": expecting them at the airport and railway station, inviting them to lunch or dinner and paying for their tickets from Shanghai to their cities, where the schools are located.
I called some of " his teachers " and they are content with him and their jobs.
BTW, what`s your real name, Eddy Robbins ? Nobody has heard of you in Jiangyin, Jiangsu. Why do you fabricate stories on this site ?

Re: Vote to rename this the "Frank Zhang discussion forum"

Amen. Keep the word alive about Frank, aka, 'Fa Fa Li'. Frank Zhang is a horrible human being. I can say this based on *actual* experiences based on those of friends and myself. The posters here who have been taking swipes at Frank know how dangerous he is and are obviously inspired enough to keep unwary teachers from crossing paths with him.

I think of it as a kind of community service given the fact that Frank uses the most popular ESL forums such as this one to try and forward his career. But in this case, it's obviously not working. Frank, you're not going to get this board so long as I have an ounce of energy left in my typing fingers!

Furthermore, given that Chinese authorities would much prefer to apprehend foreigners for various misdeeds rather than a serial criminal - Frank Zhang - the responsibility for alerting others is left to only a few.

I support Mr. Frank Zhang

I know Mr. Frank Zhang very well.....I want to say thanks to him. I also want to support him here.

Re: Vote to rename this the "Frank Zhang discussion forum"

Not really. The point you seem to miss throughout all of this is that it is Frank Zhang himself that keeps fueling the fire. Fake names, fake identities obvious false testimonials. The fellow is an ego maniac really, he doe's not care how much harm he does his business by going on and on with his obvious ploys to dupe people, and why shoud he care, he's a nutter.

The best thing we here can do is keep informing people about this guy, and not back down when he starts with his fake BS. Also, if we don't inform, his name will just get buried, and no one will know about him. Sure they can do searches, but he ises aliases, so they only way to ID him are his methods, which are clear for all to see here.

No, I think we are serving the function of this community quite well. I personally am quite tired of Frank the retard, Frank the idiot, who actually thinks he is doing anything but harming his own reputations by continueing to respond to peoples allegations. Doesn't he know his desperation only makes him look more guilty? Guess not, so I say let him keep posting, and let those of us who want to protect the world from recruiters and Frank Zhang expecially, also keep posting. Nothing could be a better example of why not to use a recruiter then this frakus with Frank Zhang.