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#1 Parent Turino - 2008-10-22
Re: Anyone Ever Hear of Yuncheng IELTS School?

I must admit to having been more than a little surprised when a poster named John said you were Welsh.
That was because your name is not the kind of name that a Welshman would have.
The poster called John seems to be a bit of a clown who doesn't like Welshmen.
Thanks for rectifying John's misinformation.

#2 Parent Ian McAllister - 2008-10-22
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"But if Alex has misquoted you, why didn't you point it out , as you've chosen to do in my case?
Maybe you hadn't come across his earlier misquote until now.That would explain it."

I think you're talking to yourself here. You've answered your own question. I'm glad you sorted it out and let everyone know.

Now really, no more mention of me eh?

Oh, and I'm not Welsh, as was claimed a while back by a poster named John.

Ian McAllister

#3 Parent Turino - 2008-10-22
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"You said you had attended an end of year party where some 30 other ft's were grinning and happy."
Some of Alex's words in his post of October 5th in the 'Ian is an excellent teacher' thread. Alex is quoting you.That led to me quoting you.
But if Alex has misquoted you, why didn't you point it out , as you've chosen to do in my case?
Maybe you hadn't come across his earlier misquote until now.That would explain it.

#4 Parent Ian McAllister - 2008-10-22
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I can't be bothered to check, but I believe you're misquoting me with 'Ian's so-called "30 smiling faces" '. All that I can remember writing is that none of the 25-30 other teachers present at the meeting I attended in June had a bad word to say about the company, either publicly, or to me personally.

Ian McAllister

#5 Parent Back-packer - 2008-10-20
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I have no cerificates of higher education schools. But that does not mean I am a bad teacher in China. Foreigners are needed to teach in back-waters like Yuncheng in China .And a low pay in respective term is not a put-of for me.It give me a better living level than back in my nation waitering.So I find my nish teaching class there.And can make a good life from my pay.Don't think to take away a mans' dayly bread.Every-body likes to have a good work.I am deserve of my work.Back-packers all-round China teached good for year by year.Chinas students very like foriegn look and liking back-packer.So China is developing quik and good.

#6 Parent Turino - 2008-10-20
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What makes u think that Yuncheng IELTS is able to and/or does offer IELTS classes,the name? When I taught there,not one of Ian's so-called "30 smiling faces" mentioned that.A name needn't convey the true situation - it can be a scam to take in the gullible,can't it?
And does that company offer "professional" salaries,and what would they be in real terms in that backwater?Please elucidate,that is,if u can?

#7 Parent forgetmenot - 2008-10-19
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Thanks, Ian, for writing a thoughtful post. It's refreshing to see someone say what many among us quiet majority of readers consider to be obvious.

I hold that if a Chinese training centre offers IELTS-relevant classes then they are above the masses of English language training centres. Needless to say that such training centres do not always stoop so low as to hire backpacker FTs with no credentials.

As in any other country of the world, language mills are businesses that have conflicting goals; bottomline is profit. I think some of the best training centres also have sound cashflow and profit margins. Some FTs come to China expecting to find cushy jobs at companies that function as charities. How immature!

There aren't too many solid and honest language training centres in business in China, so it is imperative that the beacons of sound business practice be highlighted.

Those who can only rip into Chinese businesses probably aren't genuine teachers themselves; they don't deserve an employer who hires professional instructors at salaries below western, but well above local, standards.

#8 Parent earthling - 2008-10-04
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Foxy-
Are you sure you are a "Westerner"? I was always taught, and now teach, that when you use a period, (full stop), you hit the space bar twice before beginning a new sentence. Your post looks like it was written by a Chinese person. In this regard, many haven't learned these rules of proper writing skills. Take a remedial course in Academic Writing!! Oh yeah, once after a comma.

#9 Parent Foxy - 2008-10-04
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Ian,I agree with almost everything you've said.Further to this,I'd say that you're more patient than most.As for this thread being redundant,I think there's no doubt about that.
The troubles you've encountered in this thread,in my opinion,have mostly stemmed from others distrusting you and looking for hidden agendas due to you having praised the company to the hilt on a previous occasion.
So far,excepting you and I,those who have worked there or are working there at present plus those who think it's a rubbishy operation have joined forces to make the company appear like a very bad recruiter.
Now I personally think that the name of the company has been put in place by its operator so as not to dissuade jobseekers from applying in the first place.The reason the good doctor had to do so is that many FT's distrust recruiters because many of the former have had bad experiences working for the latter in the past.But not all recruiters are bad.As for me,I think that the company is at best an average recruiter,and I have already given my reasons in a previous posting of mine on the ESL board.I know that you regard it as the best thing since sliced bread.Fair enough,we are entitled to have our own opinions aren't we?We're supposed to be enlightened Westerners,aren't we?We can have different views without clashing with one another,can't we?But it is clear that some of us can't.
The important thing for viewers of this thread to bear in mind is that relatively speaking only a small proportion of the company's former employees have taken the trouble to berate it.But don't forget there's a large silent majority of former employees out there who as yet haven't felt it necessary to join the witch hunt against the company,which incidentally has been going on now for far too long imo.
So,let's close this thread from now on with the proviso that it can only be re-started on the basis of an employee there having a specific grievance or grievances that he requires advice re how to proceed.Phew,I'm done!

#10 Parent Ian McAllister - 2008-10-03
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Silverboy, I know I'll regret this, but I'm replying to your post in this totally redundant thread for reasons even I don't understand!

You called me a liar again, please stop.

I replied, naively I now realise, to a post earlier this year which I considered vicious, personal and inaccurate about Yuncheng IELTS. All I said was that I had worked for six months, at that time, for YI and was having a great time.
I have never referred to YI as a school, always as a company.
All my posts have reflected my own experiences, and I have never claimed to represent anyone else.
I fell into a bit of name-calling a while ago, which I regret, but there are only so many insults I can take.
I don't live in Yuncheng, and never have.
I don't represent the company, or have any connection with them apart from teaching.
I didn't come to China to teach in Beijing or Shanghai; you really couldn't pay me enough!
I have never, I think, referred to myself as an excellent teacher.
I have never posted anything about my qualifications.
I am not 'selling' anything,(by the way,I was puzzled by that).

I agree with 'julie', who posted a day or so ago, that this is all just back-biting, and it does do a great disservice to this site.

I also sense a curious attitude toward China and the Chinese in a lot of posts here, including yours. If I'm judged to be a good teacher by my employers, students, colleagues and my headmaster, is that not enough? According to your last post, erm, no, because they're Chinese.

I have been treated with respect by YI, and all of the Chinese teachers with whom I have worked. I have always been paid promptly and none of the terms of my contract have been broken. I continue to enjoy my work,and my stay,in China.

This should be a forum to help teachers make informed decisions. Calling people who you don't know 'scum', 'liars', jokes' and the rest doesn't really help anyone.

Ian McAllister

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