Penelope
- 2009-05-23
Turnoi is one of those academic elitists living in an ivory tower. In specific real-life situations, his advice should be taken with a large pinch of salt as it tends neither to be practical nor useful. So, ignore what he says.
You'd better carry on counselling Frey from a distance until he approaches you. I'm sure he'll accept your sound advice before long.
hohum
- 2009-05-23
Thank you Penelope for your kind reply. Turnoi, I thought that you were a reasonable person. What Frey did has a lot to do with this If he was upfront to begin with this would not have gone so far as it has. To say what you did about me when you don't even know who I am well your true colours are showing I guess. You will only encourage Frey into doing something that is going to get his ass in jail and then deported He is married to a Chinese woman and cannot afford to be deported. His council will only ruin his marriage and life. Think before you tell people to do things that may put them into a boat load of trouble just for your sense of justice. Dream is not bankrupt and they are paying me thank you very much. Did you get the part where I said they are trying to contact Frey but he is not replying. They want to bring this to a fair conclusion and what you are suggesting will only exacerbate the situation. I do not appreciate your attack on my person. I to am a preacher and your conduct is not proper in any sense of the work. I hope that you will take what I have said into consideration and realize that this situation is much bigger than you may have considered. Frey contact me and arrange for your stuff to be given to me like I said and lets get this thing over with. I am waiting for your reply. You know how to contact me. Turnoi, stop pouring gas on the fire. You are only making thins worse for Frey and others involved.
eflfree
- 2009-05-22
If all priests were like you, no one would go to church.
Penelope
First, I haven't seen that Turnoi professes to have a flock of followers, nor do I recall him suggesting that he wishes that were the case. Second, I believe that it is said that one should worship in their own closet, so who gives a darn whether or not one is worthy of having a church wherein they can pontificate. Third, Turnoi, like many other posters in this forum, is only asking for fairness and honesty.
It is unfortunate that Turnoi revealed the fact of his priesthood. Now there will be posters such as you who try to use that against him and hold him to a standard that suggests that priests are somehow different than the common man and therefore not subject to imperfections. However, I'm sure that he will be the first to admit that he is not perfect and that he does not expect perfection from others. What he does expect and hope for, and what I expect and hope for and what others involved in this profession expect and hope for from EFL in China is quite a bit more honesty and forthrightness. Is there something wrong with that? That's a serious question that I'm asking you and you alone, Penelope. What's your answer?
Finally, though I have not entered into the priesthood, I have in the past devoted myself to theological studies. There was a time that I thought I might become cloaked; however, circumstances led me down another path. Nevertheless, I have found that my studies led to me a kind of faith that did not necessitate or demand that my beliefs be exercised in such a way that they could only be manifested behind the doors of a church. I find spirituality in many things and in many people. The average so called Christian does not walk a path that I would consider righteous. Therefore, to argue that church goers are capable of determining who should or who should not be leading them is a specious argument at best.
Take your faith a few degrees higher. Truth is not always found behind closed doors.
Penelope
- 2009-05-22
The poster you have replied to is only trying to be helpful. But your unkind response has shown you up. You are not logical nor sympathetic. How can you be a priest with an attitude like yours? If all priests were like you, no-one would go to church.