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#1 Parent T - 2009-06-25
Re: "Lawless" societies and "relationships"

I strongly and sincerely ask new overseas teachers to think very carefully before following the advice of this chap.
Again, my advice, should the written contract fail to resolved any problems, is to work on having a good relationship with a college. In this way, youll be asking a friend, not a stranger.
This situation is not ideas, but it is a winning strategy when all else fails. Think of it like this, if contracts can and should be clearly followed, when is this chap so upset so often? It is because he cannot adapt when he is faced with a challenging situation, and so he reverts to shouting and stabbing his contract with his finger. It doesnt work.

'This chappie is not so upset so often.He has realised that it's dumb to get upset.It serves no useful purpose and is bad for his health.He accepts that he's having to deal with unprincipled employers,whom he looks down upon.He doesn't revert to rowdy behavior when contracts are broken.He puts his case forward in a reasonable manner these days.Admittedly,when he first came to China he was appalled and angered by the dishonest behavior of his employers.But he's mellowed since then,and realised that they don't deserve his trust.So long as he has a fair contract that includes the standard arbitration clause,he'll be all right.They will agree with his point of view,as they've no choice but to do so whenever they have breeched the contact,and that has been pointed out to them.He's firm and calm,and approaches the discussion re the breech just like a lawyer would.He won't be cheated,but without the arbitration clause in place as a last resort,he might well be!That chappie has a different point of view from him(this chappie).So be it.

#2 Parent Think before you act - 2009-06-25
Re: "Lawless" societies and "relationships"

I strongly and sincerely ask new overseas teachers to think very carefully before following the advice of this chap.

Yes, its better for a western teacher to have both parties to follow a contract that has clearly stated what is necessary; though, this most probably wont happen in most places in China. Notwithstanding, contacts that are clearly written may not be followed.

Again, my advice, should the written contract fail to resolved any problems, is to work on having a good relationship with a college. In this way, youll be asking a friend, not a stranger.

This situation is not ideas, but it is a winning strategy when all else fails. Think of it like this, if contracts can and should be clearly followed, when is this chap so upset so often? It is because he cannot adapt when he is faced with a challenging situation, and so he reverts to shouting and stabbing his contract with his finger. It doesnt work.

#3 Parent Turino - 2009-06-24
Re: "Lawless" societies and "relationships"

However, for the time being, I would advise any foreigner to work on their relationship with a college, not scrutinize the contract as soon as there is a problem.

And I would advise foreigners to sweep breaches of their contracts that they can live with under the carpet;but not to let their employers get away with major breaches that are unacceptable.Contracts are necessary and should be adhered to by both sides.If an FT breaks his(or her) contract,the Chinese side will probably not overlook it.So,why should foreign teachers overlook breaches by the Chinese side?Obviously,minor breaches can be overlooked by FT's.That said,if either side is not prepared to obey the contract,what's the point of having one in the first place?There's no point in wasting paper.But contracts are necessary,and should be obeyed,regardless of culture differences.

#4 Parent May 2 - 2009-06-24
Re: "Lawless" societies and "relationships"

Things are different these days. Agreements between two or more nations, contracts between international companies have become more important these days, and if China wants to be regarded as a reliable partner in these relationships, also China must accept that it is bound to the terms and conditions of an agreement and/or a contract.

There is a working difference with regards to a contract between countries, businesses, both home and internationally, and people on a face to face basis.

China didnt feel the need to hold tight to a contract on a face to fact basis, because China has always been a more static society where relationships have traditionally been intimate due to the closeness of living. Knowiing, knowing that you know that person and trusting that person was / is more important. Western societies were more mobile and the chance of negotiating with strangers was far greater; therefore, a contract was deemed necessary.

Educational institutions in China, especially when employing foreigners, have the relationaship model. There are signs that these institutions are changing to a contract-based relationship, but their efforts are new and inexperienced: sometimes they get it wrong and miss the target all together. However, a contract is between two or more people and that is why a balance, a working relationship where mutual understanding and respect must be in place or strived for.

However, for the time being, I would advise any foreigner to work on their relationship with a college, not scrutinize the contract as soon as there is a problem.

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