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#1 Parent Gary - 2015-04-27
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Place hasn't improved. Pulling a runner this weekend.

#2 Parent englishgibson - 2012-07-06
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Looks like they really are environmental, resourceful and they seem to have benefited from the booming industry in the country.
Cheers and beers

#3 Parent Kanadian - 2012-07-06
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you must be joking ? !

that looks like a barn
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#4 Parent Rene - 2012-07-06
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Here's a picture of the foreign teachers' apartment

#5 Parent Kanadian - 2011-03-01
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unless you have a serious degree, with a teachers cert from your country, i doubt if they will offer over 6000 rmb.. Many schools make such claims to have emails sent to them, and then then numbers go down :b

#6 Parent Tom - 2010-09-27
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Hello Sanguine
It sounded like the newcomer to that rotten establishment had read many negative reviews on the place before he chose to put himself at their mercy. If one sees bad reviews don't give the school the benefit of the doubt, reasoning that all the contributors could be telling a pack of lies, just don't go there. Even with years of experience in China we can all come a cropper and we can't know for sure if things will work out until we arrive. The lies by omission on the contract is one of the biggest problems-You should ask at least twenty question when you get a contract(that's before you are in their clutches). The company often shows you the contract in Mandarin and English and unless you can read Chinese characters you know not if they correspond. The contract in English is of course not worth the paper it's written on.

Well, if you like MSG ladled into your grub like it was going out of fashion continue eating Chinese food. Do you like MSG? is not much different from saying, Do you like Chinese food? I notice a lot of the Chinese takeaways in the West are now not using MSG-the trouble is with that is your egg fried rice comes up a horrible brown colour since they feel obliged to compensate by adding lots of soy sauce. In mainland China they throw MSG around with gay abandon. Thank you no! I don't like eating chemicals. My wife is Chinese and she likes good healthy English food. Mind you Chinese food is still better for you than Macdonald but that doesn't say a lot-at least the cook in Macdonald is more likely to wash his hands and less likely to spit in the food I suppose.

#7 Parent Sanguine - 2010-09-25
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Not sure it was wholly the OP's fault that he ended up at that school, nor do I recall him saying he was warned before hand. However he should have researched the setting to see if it was to his liking.

When I came here a 10 years back I had those exact same problems, both from the food, and the extremely polluted air. I was sick non stop for my first 6 months here, it was a total nightmare. It was only after purchasing antibiotics and taking them for 1 month solid that I got better. Try being sick for 6 months, not fun. At intermittent times after that I had to again imbibe in antibiotics, it took some time for my system to adapt, I guess I am sensitive. My first year here was physically horrible.

China has many different things you will need to adapt to, like I said, sometimes environmental shock, which includes shock to your system in the form of illness, can be worse than any culture shock. Regardless I stuck it out and am today just fine, and am not bothered by the bad air or the food. I did however lose 11 pounds my first 2 months here, that's all I'll say on that.

I disagree about the food, I love Chinese food, always have, and find it superior to western food, all a matter of opinion and personal taste I guess. OP be brave, and don't focus on the negative. Try to find things to do, spend time online researching and learning new things, use your time constructively. Even where you are there is much more to do then was available to people even 100 years ago, let alone 200 or 300 years in the past. Those people survived and thrived. Learn from their example, you might find you thrive with less distractions. Or maybe not, only time, and you, will tell.

#8 Parent Tom - 2010-09-25
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Well,Mate, now you've arrives in that shit-hole against all good advice you are certainly going to have to show a bit of backbone and stick it until you can know properly what your options can be. Hamburgers won't do you any good, you'll end up with a fatty liver. I have found that whereas most Chinese food tastes like shite it is nevertheless nutritious, albeit coming in a rich hepatitis A fortified gravy. Now, until you build up your defences, you becoming violently ill is a given; therefore, my advice is and with a high degree of alacrity, get your little American friend to buy you some antibiotics in advance. Do not consult your local Chemist shop- based doctor, cos if you do you could well wake up dead the following morning.

On the bright side,in these back of beyond places ,twenty year old studentesses are often falling over each other to come and cook very very very (really) delicious dumplings and noodles for cool young American under 65. They are always anxious to improve their English. Please do not teach them "kick arse (ass)" brown nosing" and such like when there are proper English words which they should learn. Good luck to you.

#9 Parent Sanguine - 2010-09-24
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This is one of the main problems with foreigners coming to China for the first time, not culture shock, but "environment" shock. You could argue they are connected, but I have seen slums and dirty disgusting areas in ever culture. That said, mix that with a low level of development, and then the living arrangements being so poor also, and you get a lot of people running from a job in their very first week.

Often newcomers to China don't do much research into where they will be going, and they are sold a lot of flowery words about the place that often end up not being true. I suppose it's often the only way they get teachers.

I suggest new teachers do much more research, in fact I suggest they stay away from China entirely. However if you are going to come here, you really need to know where "here" is. Don't take a recruiters word, or the schools, you really need to find out for yourself.

The place is dirty, messy? Living quarters stink? Nothing to do? The food is terrible? Welcome to backwater China, I taught in such a place myself when I first came to sunny wonderful China. I think it is the crucible which all new teachers to China must go through.

Yes, indeed you should have went to a more developed city, which begs the question, why didn't you? Haven't even started work yet and already want to quit? Like I said, environment shock.

It can be a tough transition for some foreigners, to be exposed to living conditions that you would only see in a condemned housing tenement in Harlem or some such place. Rat's, garbage, terrible smell, disgusting food. I think things like this play a large part in why these back water schools stay so backwater, and have such a difficult time finding teachers. The work itself could be pleasant, as you generally would not have to fight a lot of bureaucracy, or long time systemization. However, if the environment is crap, who cares if you enjoy the work.

Schools need to get on the ball and start providing a better living environment for teachers. Teachers in turn need to start doing more research beforehand so things like this don't happen.

#10 Parent marc - 2010-09-23
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I am at the college now and I must say the complaints provided are accurate. I got off the plane to another country and was met by someone who did not know any English. Once I arrived at the so called room, the coordinator did not know any English. She called a student to come but her English was broken. The rooms are dirty and they do smell. However, they have created rooms for foreign teachers upstairs that are decent. I will move in October. The area is dirty and poor. Luckily, there is another American here that speaks Chinnese and this has helped a little. I have a 6 month contract and will not be renewing. Recommendation: If this is your first time to China, do not come here. The area is very underdeveloped and there is nothing to do at all. You will be amaze of the filth of the surrounding area. I will say that the cafeteria is scary, and the local food is not good. I just want a hamburger, large with fries right now.

Everyone has been nice to me because I thought about leaving my first day. I decided to stick it out for a few months to get back some of the flight money, but renewing the contract is out of the question.

It has been an experience to see China but I wish it would have been in a more developed area.

#11 Parent Al - 2010-06-21
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Yeah, If I knew how bad this place was I wouldn't work either. Some of the Chinese teachers are a real f*ckup. I needed to send a student into an adjacent classroom to take a test. there was only a Chinese teacher in there chattin on QQ in the language lab. She refused to allow a student to use the class to take a makeup. The student had to spend twenty minutes searching for a class in which to take the test. The teacher was a Chinese teacher who teaches Japanese. She speaks English until you need her help, then she doesn't understand a thing. She ripped off a flash drive that i left in the language lab.

One of the foreign teachers is a foreign broad who claims to have a Ph.D., but she said that she didn't write a dissertation. She does no work. She treats her students poorly, and often calls them stupid. She doesn't bathe, and she doesn't answer her door when she is in her apartment. She lies about things and generally causes trouble. Avoid this trashy school. The apartments smell, the toilets back up frequently, and the water delivery isn't reliable. The cafeteria food sucks.

The students are okay. They must endure the same terrible conditions.

#12 Parent Murphy - 2010-05-22
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Country_girl:when you say door was open, do you mean it was not shut? or was it unlocked and you stuck your head in without knocking? i want to see how inconsiderate and/or creepy of a person is reporting here.

Which part of the word OPEN do you not understand?

Alright. I shall explain. I walked down the hall. I think it was the third door (on the right. To the left were windows)that was OPEN as in "not closed". It was unlatched, and the door was swung 180 degrees from its closed position. I looked to my right to see someone with brownish-red dyed hair, obviously thoroughly snockered, lying on the bed on her back with one leg hanging off the bed. I apologize to the rather cute Chinese girl who stood in the room, barefoot, drying her hair with a towel. I may have startled her. I don't think she knew that anyone else was in the building.

Is looking into an open door creepy or inconsiderate when one is looking to speak to someone? If so, I apologize. I would have stopped to talk, but I think doing so might have been :ahem: a bit awkward.

#13 Parent country_girl - 2010-05-12
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when you say door was open, do you mean it was not shut? or was it unlocked and you stuck your head in without knocking? i want to see how
inconsiderate and/or creepy of a person is reporting here.

#14 Parent country_girl - 2010-05-12
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hi,
i wish i had seen your post sooner. from experience, i would ask to see pictures of the living conditions before you decide on
anything. also, if you want more info, you can email me. good luck!

#15 Parent Murphy - 2010-05-02
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The guards let me through with no hassle!The school itself is pretty spartan. Nothing fancy, though the boulevard that passes through the campus is quite pretty. I speak a little Chinese. The guards said that they remembered me! That was a bit creepy.

Wow. What security! Lights! camera! Action! The teachers'dorms look okay from the outside, but inside they are very bad. Upstairs there were 3-4 floors of rooms. A couple of Chinese women told me that the foreigners were downstairs. One room was open and someone was passed out cold on the bed. Couldn't tell if it was a man or a woman, but it was a westerner with longish red-brown hair.There's a jailhouse-type door leading to the foreign teachers area. Looks like there has been some recent work done. Renovation looks to be in progress.

I wouldn't live in that place, no matter what they paid me.

#16 Parent Murphy - 2010-04-27
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I called a Chinese teacher who worked there a couple of years ago. She verified that the salary being quoted here could be close to the truth, but she also says that this school is not a good place to be a foreign teacher at the moment. Reportedly, the living conditions are not good, and the foreign teachers have had contractual problems left and right. Supposedly the waiban is okay, but the president and other higher-ups leave much to be desired. I am in Hangzhou. I intend to check the place out next week on my way to Nanjing. I'll check back in about ten days. HAVE A GREAT HOLIDAY!

#17 Parent zvon - 2010-03-24
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hi
ur right ........................................
a lot of these scams exist cas china is a huge market..........
ur taking ur chances if u go there...............
even if they refer u 2 another foreign teacher................it could b fake..................
i've been there..................
zvonimir mesarov

#18 Parent Dan Higgins - 2010-03-23
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Wow. I can't believe what I am reading about this place.I have been offered 10,000 rmb per month to go teach at this school. What's there to avoid and why is the school offering so much money? I have only a two-year degree from a community college and what there offering is higher then a real US college teacher. Can somebody tell me if the school is worth the risk?

I talked to the recruiter then someone in the office at the school, so I know its the real deal. Anything that pays so much can't be horrible.

Someboddy tell me.

#19 Parent kurt - 2009-12-22
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As I'm from the UK, I would only consider someone who had graduated from college/university to be a graduate. College/university students studying for their first tertiary educatonal qualification are termed undergraduates. When someone leaves high school, he (or she) is simply and modestly called a school leaver.

I'm not sure what you're talking about here or why you have written the above, but I am sure that it's relevant to something.
Is it related to the title of the thread "Avoid Yangzhou College of Environment and Resources"?

Re: Global recession affecting teaching positions in American universities: historically, in America, during times of high unemployment, college enrollment increases as unemployment increases. This is especially true in the community colleges. With the increase in students comes a need for teachers. Most of the jobs are in the form of staff (part-time) and three-year contract lecturers (to a much lesser degree). Graduate faculty doesn't usually increase unless there is an increase in state budgets or an influx of cash in the form of private endowments.

Even during good times in America, the pattern is that the ratio of graduate faculty to lecturers remains fairly stable. No money, no growth. My alma mater added five new graduate faculty this past semester. It's not located in the economically-devastated areas near the rust belt or near the automotive industries. It was not greatly affected by the INTERNATIONAL banking debacle in which bankers, lenders, traders and speculators played the derivatives game knowing full well that it is not a sound financial model. (i.e., one can hedge his bets, but he can't bet his hedges over and over again unless there's more money behind the hedge than that which is behind the bet).

It has been nice exchanging ideas. Ta ta, mein liebes.

#20 Parent Ein Halb-Deutscher aus Schottland - 2009-12-22
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As I'm from the UK, I would only consider someone who had graduated from college/university to be a graduate. College/university students studying for their first tertiary educatonal qualification are termed undergraduates. When someone leaves high school, he (or she) is simply and modestly called a school leaver.
I'm sure that in the aftermath of the global recession, good jobs for college/university graduates have been reduced in number, globally, not just in America!

#21 Parent Kurt - 2009-12-22
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Actually, the financial crisis has had a positive effect upon university and community college enrollment in some areas. Secondary school jobs are scarce. Public education has suffered as school boards have slashed budgets.

Re: American investment bankers responsible for condition of the economy, thus making it difficult for college and university teachers to gain employment. Competition in these areas has always been stiff. I see no differences between now and twenty years ago.

#22 Parent Ein Halb-Deutscher aus Schottland - 2009-12-20
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Please reread my post. I clearly stated that I visited a friend who lived there a few years ago. I taught at a university in town.

Post re-read. It didn't say that you'd 'taught at a university in town' there.
So, you're no newbie as regards teaching in China. As you're a native speaker of English from the United States of America, albeit probably of German descent, just like me, you'll not encounter the problems at work here in China that German nationals teaching English here might.
Anyways, my reply will make useful reading for newbies from mainland Europe, as opposed to the UK, who are considering coming here to teach English. Could be that the global financial crisis instigated by some of your country's brokers has not only reduced the number of good employment opportunities for further education graduates in your homeland, but also for their counterparts in Europe, including Scotland, of course!
I wouldn't know the situation precisely as I'm no recent university graduate, and I've been in China since well before the recession first reared its ugly head.

#23 Parent kurt - 2009-12-20
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Mein lieber sauganleger der achselhhlen:

Please reread my post. I clearly stated that I visited a friend who lived there a few years ago. I taught at a university in town.

Come to think of it, there was a metro babe teaching there who was half-German and half British/Scottish. Her last name was Gestank. Was that you?

And no, I am not a German national (nor is English a second language for me), but I know liverwurst when I see it. I was born and grew up in Washington, D.C.. That should make me pretty American, no?

Cheers,

Kurt

#24 Parent Ein Halb-Deutscher von Schottland - 2009-12-19
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I can verify that at least three of the rooms were filthy. What I remember the most about the place was the abundance of wildlife in and around the teachers' dorms. ( A couple of teachers played mouse hockey when they got bored). That and the black mold on the walls and ceilings.

Ah, Kurt, with a forename like that, you are most likely a German, am I not right?. Where I'm teaching right now in China, a German couldn't hack it - he only lasted four calendar weeks! Were you to be a non-native speaker of English, be prepared for that to be brought up time and again against you, if you come to China.
Also realise that filth here is acceptable, as are mice in the apartments and classrooms. Statistics show that 50% of foreigners go back home early from China, which 1/2 will you be in? Yep, mice here are too shrewd to allow themselves to be treated like hockey putts/balls, unless they're dead, that is!
You can settle for better accommodation and vermin-free classrooms at training centres, but there is a downside there - most likely you'll be sent packing after a while on account of your accent and/or inability to be a source of entertainment for your lazy and spoiled students there.
If I were you, I'd seek a backwater public school, and put up with the occasional mouse and the mouldy walls, in the knowledge that it would be damned hard for my employer to replace me were I not to be what he (or she) had expected me to be like at work as a teacher or after work as a socializer with the local talent. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED - TREAD WARILY!

#25 Parent Kurt - 2009-12-18
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I visited that college back in 2008. I knew someone who lived and taught there. The situation was a bit crazy what with students, outside visitors (one foreign teacher supposedly had a lot of sleepovers of both genders). Personally, I didn't care for the one-room set-up and no television. I can verify that at least three of the rooms were filthy. What I remember the most about the place was the abundance of wildlife in and around the teachers' dorms. That and the black mold on the walls and ceilings. My friend moved out of the dorm and got an apartment elsewhere.

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