Winston
- 2011-01-07
Rajesh and his wife are never treated with respect in shaoxing.They are very diplomatic and keep ruining others name.In the past they have even tried to collapse one school because of their ego.They this themselves to be the leaders but the fact is each one maintains a distance from them.They are shrewd and never work in favour of others kids but their own
Sanguine
- 2010-09-23
And another thing, what's Adrian playing at applying for a Chinese F visa for hiself and his wife when he intends to teach for payment in China? Just like quite a number of other posters on the board, he only posts half a story. So, I've no sympathy at all for him re the Shaoxing debacle!
Oldtimer, what does it matter if he was getting an F visa? This as you know is common practice in China, even now. He also stated that it would be changed upon arrival into a Z visa. Schools do this to save money, time, and paperwork, as it is easier to get it done if the person is already here in China. He also said he would be arriving a full month ahead of time, hence by the time he was getting paid he would essentially be on the proper visa. This isn't even an issue though, since for one thing the school demanded it. You are again knit picking to try and sully a persons character. I find this absurd. Not that I think Adrian didn't make some rather glaring mistakes, he did. I also have to question just how learned he is to have made such. That said, none of that is relevant, and I"m sure you know it. Bottom line, the school messed up, and that's why everything came crumbling down, the visa type slotted for his arrival had nothing to do with it.
Some little known facts about F visas. They are not illegal to work on, or be paid on even, as long as you are working in business as a consultant, which he would have been helping them build a school. This applies if you are being paid in China. You can work legally anywhere in China and have an F visa "if" you get paid outside of China, meaning into a bank account not in this country. As I have said in other posts in regard to other things, there have been loopholes purposely created so such things "can" legally be circumvented. If you are not being paid within the PRC then no law is being broken. I think it would be rather easier for a school, any school, to deposit payment electronically into your bank in your home country.
Why don't schools more often then not take advantage of such loopholes to employ more foreigners legally without having to worry about legal problems with things such as degrees and proper Z visas? Because they are stupid, like our Indian couple who know just as little about visas and running a school.
Stupid people often run the world simply because of who they know, sad but true.
IM
- 2010-09-23
So, I've no sympathy at all for him re the Shaoxing debacle!
Give that man a cee-gar!
Oldtimer
- 2010-09-22
Firstly min I have been following this post closely, and no where did I see Adrian say he was 52. Someone thought he was in his 50's, and someone else took that as gospel and said he was in his 50's, and then others started to say it, without reading every response to the original post. No where did Adrian give his actual age, it was an assumption one person made that got picked up by others who failed to read everything posted about this subject. That being the case, your calling Adrian a liar in this regard is wrong, and you should apologize.
I agree with what you have said above. Moreover, Turnoi is due me an apology too. After I had said Adrian was an oldtimer just like me and him, Turnoi refuted what I had said re Adrian. But I won't hold my breath waiting for his apology! Anyways, the above discrepancy, Adrian is a mere 66 years old, only goes to show that Turnoi's words aren't always the gospel truth!
And another thing, what's Adrian playing at applying for a Chinese F visa for hiself and his wife when he intends to teach for payment in China? Just like quite a number of other posters on the board, he only posts half a story. So, I've no sympathy at all for him re the Shaoxing debacle!
Sanguine
- 2010-09-22
Firstly min I have been following this post closely, and no where did I see Adrian say he was 52. Someone thought he was in his 50's, and someone else took that as gospel and said he was in his 50's, and then others started to say it, without reading every response to the original post. No where did Adrian give his actual age, it was an assumption one person made that got picked up by others who failed to read everything posted about this subject. That being the case, your calling Adrian a liar in this regard is wrong, and you should apologize.
Next is the visa issue. It took me about 5 minutes using google to find out that all you have to do is apply for a waiver and often the government will grant a school an exception and let them hire someone over the age of 60. I am not surprised you did not look into this. School owners or those who run them are usually very lazy people, who know far less about how the laws in China work than foreigners do. However if you are a foreigner, you really should have known better and looked into this. Like I said, it took me less than 5 minutes to discover this. However, if you don't know about such things as waivers, well the government will not tell you. They will only say you can not hire this person as they are over 60. They are trying to faze out long time teachers here who have lived here for too long, hence they won't help you to circumvent and get an exception to this law, a law which is loosely enforced at best. It was you, and more importantly your husbands job to know these things. That you are so incompetent and ill prepared that you did not look into this matter at all says a lot.
I am also curious as to why "you" are here telling us all these things, and not your husband? After all, he is the big wig, the head honcho, the boss, is he not? Why isn't he here defending himself? I have little faith in the words of lackeys, or spouses. If he wants to defend himself, he should come here himself. Or is he too ashamed to? I would be also if I was making such mistakes, mistakes that make a person look pretty dumb.
Maybe you should read all the responses here as well before you start calling people liars. I don't see anywhere that Adrian lied, however I was not so lazy, and I read all of the responses so as to be well informed before I gave an opinion an anything.
I am well aware that there are age limits, and had someone 65 or 66 years old contacted me and asked for work, the first thing I would have done was use the internet to check the laws in my province; s you know they differ a great deal from place to place. Maybe you don't know this.
It might also be a good idea "not" to type all of your messages to this board with the caps lock on. Besides just being a real headache to read, and looking infantile, it also gives one the impression that you are quite angry and telling, something that doesn't add to your credibility, of which you have very little.
Face facts, you and your husband are incompetent, and really should not, in my opinion, be running a school, or a pop stand even. If you don't know the most basic facts that an administrator should be aware of, how exactly can you do your job well? I am guessing whoever you found to do the job is not only much younger, "hooray" but is also far less experienced, "not hooray", and is getting far less money "hooray". You really need to learn how to prioritize, because that money you saved is nothing compared to what you will likely loose because you did not hire someone far more qualified, and all because you were not "aware of your legal recourse in the matter.
I say avoid this place, mainly because people who know so little and are so ill equipped to do their job would be a nightmare for anyone but a lackey type person to deal with I think.
Gwonna Hasheesh Singh
- 2010-09-22
And what about your and your "famous" husband's brain?
Mini
- 2010-09-22
GIVE ME THE NAME OF THE SCHOOL WHO HAD GIVEN YOU THE VISA WHEN YOU ARE 65 YRS.??ILLEGALLY??
I WILL CHECK THIS MATTER WITH THE EDUCATION BUREAU OF ZHEJIANG,HOW HAVE YOU GOT THE VISA ,AS YOU HAVE NEVER MENTIONED IN THE PAST MONTHS THAT YOU HAVE WORKED IN ZHEIJIANG PROV,?? YOU SAID YOU WORKED IN CHINA FOR FEW MONTHS AND YOU WENT BACK?WHAT WAS THE REASON TO RETURN BACK SO FAST EVEN THOUGH YOU WERE EMPLOYED?
I WANT TO KNOW WHICH YEAR YOU GOT THE Z VISA IN ZHEIJIANG??
I HAVE THE COPY OF YOUR PASSPORT WHICH SHOWS YOUR AGE AS 66 AND SUCH A LIAR LIKE YOU ARE E MAILING PEOPLE THAT YOU ARE 52??
GOOD LORD THAT YOU ARE NOT HERE AS SUCH A BIG LIAR IS NOT PART OF OUR INSTITUTE & OUR CHILDRENS FUTURE IS SECURED.
MR ADRIAN GROW UP AND LOOK AHEAD IN LIFE.HOPE YOU GET A GOOD OPPORTUNITY ELSEWHERE BUT TRY TO BE FAITHFUL TO YOUR JOB
Mini
- 2010-09-22
THE FT'S DO HAVE BRAINS TO DECIDE WHOM TO TRUST AND WHOM NOT TO.
IM
- 2010-09-22
The plain truth is that the Sehgals could get a DOS for much less a salary than that contracted with me.
And so? Now someone else probably has YOUR job at a still very good salary, in a decent city.
ADRIAN KEEFE
- 2010-09-21
This is the crux of what happened to me. On the face of it, I received 'smiling' words from the Sehgals. As I have written previously, I pulled out of the negotiations due to the whisper in the mind [intuitive] that all was not right, that I was being played with. Despite my telling Sehgal not to contact me further, he phoned again and again until I relented and re-entered negotiations. It was at this point that Rajesh Sehgal agreed to pre-pay my wife's airfare from Oz to Shaoxing. Yes, even my wife, All those doubters should take note: it is more common than you think for employers to pre-pay return airfares for teachers. You can imagine my doubts and my eagerness to begin the process of building a school. This dichotomy lingered and prodded me into periods of doubt but I persisted with Rajesh and his wife Mini until four days before departure when they let me know I was too old. For the record, Sanguine is correct. I have worked in Zhejiang previously, and at the same old age, and I obtained a Z visa without any problem. At the age of 65! So, this makes Rajesh Sehgal and his wife liars or they themselves have allowed themselves to be duped. But then, why would the Chinese authorities dupe the Sehgals? Nope! The plain truth is that the Sehgals could get a DOS for much less a salary than that contracted with me.
Gwonna Hasheesh Singh
- 2010-09-21
I DONT REALLY CARE,IF HE LISTENS OR HE DOES'NT.
And who cares about that Sehgal guy and his "school"?
To all FTs - simply stay away from that place!
mini
- 2010-09-21
I DONT REALLY CARE,IF HE LISTENS OR HE DOES'NT.
IM
- 2010-09-21
Indeed. Especially in China.
Sanguine
- 2010-09-20
Ah, so this Indian fellow works for the school, I see. Simply put then they did find someone locally, and as I thought the person they found accepted less money. You Adrian were simply the back up plan, the person they would hire if they could not find anyone else by the very last minute. That is not the right way to run a business, as integrity is, or should be everything. Having taught here a long time myself I know exactly where you're coming from. I'm not sure some of what you asked was very reasonable, such as airfare upfront. Also not so sure about your judgment in regards to this matter, as you seem to have taken way, way too much on faith. I think that's just a matter of hoping for the best, but it seems like there was also some closing ones eyes to very clear warning signs that were popping up, continuing to hope for the best. Not saying it's your fault, this Indian fellow was dishonest, and likely had little intent of hiring you, you were just a last resort it seems. That said, this is China, and if you've taught here a while, well I'd expect someone who has to be a lot more cautious. Like coming here on an F when you "can" get a Z before arriving, I'd have never done that.
Sorry for what happened to you, the guy and his school sound like a real joke, which is not a big surprise, but after hearing more, I do think you should have known better, but I'm not blaming you at all. I just think that with your experience that the warning signs, which were plentiful, could have saved you a lot of time and effort that in the end is what you are angry about.
Sanguine
- 2010-09-20
I have to agree, 20,000 a month is most certainly not chicken feed.
ADRIAN KEEFE
- 2010-09-18
I see that old mate Jim Altrams is now advertising for a DOS for Shaoxing International School. Today's date 18th September. After failing to get a DOS for RMB12000, dear mate Jim Altrans is advertising RMB16000pm ... now that is approaching my contracted salary of RMB18000. Hold out for RMB18000 ... if you want a fairly decent job. Just watch out for Rajesh Sehgal. Jim's OKAY. But Rajesh ... oooooh... nasty...
IM
- 2010-09-12
To my way of thinking, RMB20000 a month is chicken feed
You're beginning to sound like Turnoi, whatever, 20000 yuan a month is most certainly NOT chicken feed.
ADRIAN KEEFE
- 2010-09-11
I don't sell myself cheaply. I value my teaching skills and my dedication. After all, I am qualified and I am an authority in my field. To my way of thinking, RMB20000 a month is chicken feed. It is the value of the experience that counts. Ask yourself, how much do these 'schools' earn each month, and what is their perceived turnover and GP? Remove the drawcard of the expat laoshi and what do they have? Meiou! Ling yuan. Tamen shi yao laowai laoshi.
IM
- 2010-09-12
Shaoxing International School ...I wish them luck but with Rajesh Sehgal at the helm, I doubt it.
Thanks for the heads up. As I am in SX, I'll try and find out more. Problem is here the expat population is mostly comprised of Indians do I doubt I'll ever really know anything:(
Sorry again
IM
The Special One
- 2010-09-11
Was your salary pre tax, or after tax deductions. A comment, you certainly don't come cheap!
ADRIAN KEEFE
- 2010-09-11
Ivan Milat ...serial killer extraordinaire ... Belanglo Forest grave digger ... mate, didn't get your email, otherwise would have replied to such a notorious murderer. How many did you kill, anyway, mate? Anyway, let me bring you up to date about dear little Rajesh Sehgal. He contacted me by email and immediately offered me the job of starting his new school for international primary kids in Shaoxing. He asked me my salary. I told him RMB20000 plus airfare prepaid and accommodation for me and wo de laopo. He came back and offered RMB18000 and I accepted after more haggling. But we had a contract signed and I bought my F visa which was to be changed to Z when in Zhongguo. Then things started to stink...to smell fishy...and a couple of times I demurred about the job but Rajesh Sehgal always came back and convinced me that he was a fabulous fellow and that I could always trust him. But there was that nagging feeling that this bloke was promising things too easily, too quickly and I smelled a rat. Anyway, it is a long story and a week before due to fly out Rajesh booked my flight [he was paying] and told me to pack. Three days before flight time I still hadn't received my ticket and I emailed Rajesh a couple of times until three days before departure he emailed me to say I was too old. I then perused the job pages and saw all the adverts for my job... at a salary of RMB12000.. I even received an email from Jim Altrans of Gold Star Recruiting, advising me to apply for the job I already had. I emailed Rajesh and he bullshitted me ...Oh no, Mr Adrian, that was a mistake. Ho ho ho! Then the email that I was too old. I would have been more impressed were Rajesh to have told me he couldn't afford me. But then Rajesh Sehgal is a liar, a cheat and cannot be trusted. Shaoxing International School ...I wish them luck but with Rajesh Sehgal at the helm, I doubt it.
