The one thing wrong with Turnoi is there's only one of him- I think he should be cloned so we have ten or twenty more of him exposing and complaining about the murky world of the Chinese recruiter and general low-life English language vultures. Of course these animal-like-cunning business people don't like him, or his like, thwarting their attempts at appearing as honest as the day is long- "They don't like it up em! They definitely do not like it up em" Carry on the good work, Turnoi, and don't let the evil-doers grind you down.

OK Ilacmorf, so we are supposed to take your word on what is second hand information, when we have a first hand account from Adrian? Which is generally more reliable?

You tell us that the school is great, however let me ask how long did you work there? You also did not work for the actual school Adrian speaks of, as he was hired to work at a new school, and to actually create that new school.

Next, how do his problems with their fouling up his visa have anything to do with you working at a "public" school that you say this Indian fellow runs? I would firstly ask, are you sure about that? I have never ever heard of a foreigner running a public, state owned and run school, only private training centers. Maybe you are mistaken about some of the fine details here. However even if not, what does your working there have to do with the totally inept screw ups this guy made, and the seeming lies he told? Also, how exactly do you know that this guy is telling the truth when he says some recruiter posted ads for this school without his knowing. That seems rather unlikely, especially considering how much lower the salary was for the job. Wouldn't the person who posted this, supposedly without the schools permission, need to get that salary number from somewhere? You are also being duped, and played for a lackey and a pawn to help this guy promote a better image and safe face.

Lastly, you had a good time working there, whoopi. There are many foreigners who come to China and make such perfect lackeys that school owners love them, as they will take more abuse than others and just not care. Late pay, so what, apartment has rats, so what, at least it's a roof, contract not being honored, that's OK, it's their culture. China will always have apologists that will stick up for even the worst of them, hence your words really hold little weight, as they are "your" subjective opinion of a persons character measured against someone elses real experience with being treated like crap. Your so called "good" experience doesn't do anything to cancel that out.

Maybe you had a good time there, but that's doesn't make the place "good" that just makes your perception, opinion of it good. Nothing you said can be measured in any real objective way by others to come to a conclusion of whether or not it's a good or bad school. Basically you are just giving your opinion about something in a general way, while Adrian gave us actual experiences that happened to him that can be judged objectively, because they are specific "experiences" that we cna all relate to. You saying " it's great" doesn't really do it for me.

Oh my "god" !

You people are completely sad. I worked at this school during their summer program and met the leaders, head teacher, the directors, and more and there were no problems.

It is a public school with a new extracurricular-on-the-side business.

The only problem was that there were fewer students in the program (language village) because of a second-side-program at the same school (taishan foreign language school). They worked with me and found me extra work to make up for the weaker schedule.

As for the person you all attack in this thread. I met him and he's a perfectly fine-guy - though maybe a little tense at times. However, he showed me his e-mails and account and I agree with him. RECRUITERS STOLE THE SCHOOLS ADVERTISEMENT in an attempt to dupe otherwise innocent people.

This is nothing less than a sad and pathetic thread that you all feel the need to go on the attack without any logical substantiation of the people, government created PUBLIC school, facts, etc.

SAD

And I agree with other thread contributors regarding this fool Turnoi.

Wow, Jayden. Thank you for so eloquently showing people the meaning of rude and tactless. Maybe you should look up the difference between sarcasm and wit because I think you may be confusing the two which is why people react so negatively when interacting with you. Or maybe you're just #@*()@!()#@ rude.

Ohhhhh noooooooo

Yes, the demands of not being flooded by recruiters demanding money in exchange for their services from 6:00 AM to well after midnight is so appealing. Yes, the work environment is so horrible because an employer refuses to get spammed, flooded with falsitities, series of calls upon calls becuase you didn't answer the last message, so they call every 12 seconds for 8 minutes straight. It is a pathetic statement to say that because of the statement to exclude and refuse 3rd parties from contact that it represents some sort of bad work environment. Maybe you're one of those Mormon's that come knocking on people's doors at dinner time, or other fanatical groups like AT&T that want to change your long distance service while you're eating or getting the kids ready for school, etc.... maybe you're one of them and therefore think that THAT behavior is acceptable but an employer demanding that such solicitation not occur is NOT okay.... P A T H E T I C !!

From what I can tell, the website provides every possible piece of information someone would need. Why should an employer flooded with hundreds or more of applications spend the time giving special attention to those who can't even comprehend the website? I think it is THAT that demonstrates the speaking "volumes about the" applicant's work ethic, morals, maturity, and capacity to do research.

Again, P A T H E T I C

I think Mr. Personality, the school's mouthpiece...

It is quite a new thing to me that this "school"'s mouthpiece should have a personality. I think that Mr. Soandso left it back home in his shower ...or was it another place nearby?

I think Mr. Personality, the school's mouthpiece (who seems to be on You-Know-Who's ESL Frappe 24/7 giving bad advice) got the boot from Cafe Land. He was on at 2:30 am then again on at 4:00 pm; 10:00 pm then again on 1:00 pm and then again at 4:30 pm, 11:00 am, then again at 3:30 pm--- according to U.S. EST for a few weeks. Makes you wonder where he lives when he's not circling Jupiter.

I got the same idiotic kind of answer awhile back. They won't answer a simple question unless you give them your life story. What do you expect from a recruiter anyway? They want as much info as possible for their databases. Seems like their jobs remain advertised for a long time. Seems a bit dodgy to me.

I would be very careful in any dealings with Taishan Foreign Language School. The recruiter posted a message on Dave's ESL Cafe asking how he would go about obtaining Visas for prospective foreign teachers. The recruiter/school has a somewhat jumbled website that recruits for short-term assignments. It also gives a list of documents required in order to apply. Nowhere on the site does it specify whether it wants Foreign Teachers who are already in-country or who are outside of China.

I asked a simple question via email:

Are you looking for teachers who are in-country or are you interested in those who are not presently in China?

I can send you full credentials with letters of recommendation, Chinese consulate-authenticated degree, etc..

The answer:

http://middlekingdomlife.com/blog/china-teaching/how-not-to-apply-for-a-job-teaching-english-in-china/

http://middlekingdomlife.com/blog/china-teaching/how-not-to-apply-for-a-job-teaching-english-in-china/

My reply:

Thanks for helping me form an opinion about you folks.

His reply:

No problem. It's clear you are incapable of a professional work ethic. Anyone unable to actually read, comprehend, and appropriately respond to a job advertisement, is someone unworthy of our association.

My reply:

You folks need to take your jobs more seriously and yourselves less seriously.

I asked a simple question which would save both you and me a lot of time in both the application and evaluation processes. Instead of simple answer, I get a link to Middle Kingdom.

That's not professional, my friend. That's snotty and lazy.

I know what professionalism is. You don't. If you were professional, you would would have answered the question rather than putting forth the immature, better-than-thou attitude of an amateur. I have over twenty years' experience in academia as well as in the field of communications.

I'll give you a choice: I'll carry this conversation over to a TEFL forum where YOU started the conversation regarding short-term creditation

or I can call your supervisor and tell him what I think of you

or I can visit TEFL boards and express my opinion of your li'l village.

I asked a simple question, and I received a typical slacker I-don't want-to be-bothered-because- I'm twenty-something-and- really- don't- care attitude. Not good.

Amateurs complain. Professionals put an end to the problem.

His reply:

My supervisors' name and e-mail are: Mr. Liu - master_lym@163.com

The short term "creditation" thread is: http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=81044

Please feel free to post on other "TEFL boards

This is a westerner who has been put in charge of recruiting. He doesn't know what he's doing. On Dave's ESL, he asks the forum how he would go about obtaining proper paperwork for his employees. In response to a simple question, I get a headache. I think one should approach this outfit with great caution.