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#1 Parent Bullring - 2011-02-05
Re: York School of Foreign Languages/ Fuzhou

I agree a lot of the rules are BS, however, isn't professionalism expected back in the UK, i.e. being expected to turn up on time for classes or your job whatever it maybe. In the UK it would first carry a verbal warning, then second, then written warning as final warning. If once more, would result in dismissal. This rule is probably due to a lot of the backpacker dosser types who come late due to being hungover, stoned, slept in late, add favourite excuse for tardiness here...

My guess is as there aren't adequate laws to safeguard the rights of the FT and make the employer equally responsible, neither side knows where they stand, so the crappy places see fit to impose these fines with impunity, since in the absence of any law they are free to get away with it. Chinese labour law, only to my knowledge, covers Chinese nationals. SAFEA as we have found out is just a white elephant. What is needed is a universal labour law that equally applies to all, and especially protects foreign workers rights. So if they fine you for being late, fine, but you also should expect AND receive a payment of the full salary for that class period fromthem if they cancel it at the last minute.

#2 Parent Tom - 2011-02-05
Re: York School of Foreign Languages/ Fuzhou

I once had a school tell me I would pay a fine if I was late to class, when I asked them if they would pay a fine if they ever cancelled a class without giving me a timely warning they told me no. Needless to say I did not go to work there, others have and continue to do so, which allows that school to keep their rules.

I'm bound to say, you do have a few really good points-you are so right, FT's are and have been largely to blame for why bad Chinese schools are able to ride rough-shod. FT's should stop being big girls' blouses and playing along with one-sided demands and regulations; however, i don't really see any harm in a bit of name calling, I mean it's only the worst of the worst like York that gets so much attention.

You say certain FT's who have supported the likes of York School get all upset and sensitive if called a name. Deary Deary the poor fragile little things, sounds like the big girls who give in to free teaching demonstrations and fines etceteras, and in your words have enabled/allowed these schools to keep their rules, the rules we complain about.

#3 Parent Kev - 2011-01-04
Re: York School of Foreign Languages/ Fuzhou

I would imagine it is safe to assume that being called a lackey, weasel or an unqualified fast food service worker could be considered insulting to those working in a training school. Even suggesting that they are not really teaching but generating income seems to be insulting when there are plenty of people who genuinely want to make a difference in their students lives.

There are problems working at training schools as there are problems working at public schools. Many people have worked in both types of institutions and find training schools to be better. I have worked at both university and high school level. At both of these there was much more of a focus on cash and not quality. Students can hand in every test blank and still pass AND get teacher recommendations. Why? Because the students are paying customers. Teachers will fail students just to have the school administration change the grades. I know I am not the only one to have this experience. Have you had anything similar happen?

Also to focus solely on the problems of training schools and in turn call them crap because of these problems might also be construed as insulting. Many people working in these training centres try their best to do a good job and it is hurtful and insulting when people who have obvious grudges against training schools tell them they working at a crap school. Each place must stand on its own merits and to lump them all together is misguided.

Instead of telling people that a place is crap maybe it would be better to warn them of the less desirable aspects of a training school and what they can do to ensure they are not put in that position. I have never done an unpaid demo class and if the school tells me it is dependent on my employment I merely tell them I will go to another school. If all foreign teachers did the same then unpaid demos would become a thing of the past. Having experienced people working at these schools would also offset the problems if they are willing to disagree with things that do not make sense. I once had a school tell me I would pay a fine if I was late to class, when I asked them if they would pay a fine if they ever cancelled a class without giving me a timely warning they told me no. Needless to say I did not go to work there, others have and continue to do so, which allows that school to keep their rules.

Exchange of information, anecdotal experiences, and suggestions are what is needed on these posts not derision and name calling.

#4 Parent TL - 2011-01-03
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I never personally insulted any individual on these boards in that posting. Just made a comment on the type of resumes I used to hear about from other foreigners, even those from my homeland.

You think a photography degree and working as a bar manager qualifies someone to teach English in China. I think it doesn't. But then I wouldn't really call working at a training centre/school "teaching" more generating income for the boss in his black Audi A8 and his wife jabbering away on her shiny new swarovski encrusted Iphone.

Why do you think they have open glass windows on the classrooms and unpaid demo classes?

And the argument that most stay on average for four years may be true, but I know guys with no degrees or degrees unrelated to education/english still in China going on 7 years, maybe more.

Happy new year,
TL

#5 Parent Kev - 2011-01-03
Re: York School of Foreign Languages/ Fuzhou

Given that The median years a person stays in one job is 4.1 years (2008), an avg person will have to have 7-10 jobs.

It is amazing how when one hears training centres they assume that the teachers are inexperienced, incapable and unintelligent. Using your example of the fellow at new star you seem to be suggesting that because he tried a variety of different jobs he is unable to be an effective teacher. There is no mention of his attitude, his life experiences or what his ultimate goals are. Would it not be a good thing to employ someone who has a variety of experiences to draw upon. If he is willing and has a positive attitude towards the job could he not be molded into an effective teacher? It is probably best to judge each individual applicant wanting to come to China based on their personality rather than only by their past experience.

On this post and many others there is this broad generalization that any foreigner willing to teach at a training school is a layabout who is unable to find a worthwhile life in their native country. Those generalizations are insulting to those that have made a choice to do something very few people back home will. Some do find out that teaching is not their calling but there are others that truly do well at it, and effectively contribute to their adopted homeland.

As for training schools they do have advantages that public schools, high schools and universities do not. Smaller class sizes, higher levels of motivation by both students and parents and an ability to cull those from the school with no desire to learn English are all the things "real schools" can not do.

From what I understand these forums are meant to help the teachers living abroad be informed and given choices. If all these forums are is for trolling and personally insulting individuals I would have to say it is a sad state of affairs.

#6 Parent The Lawyer 2011 - 2011-01-01
Re: York School of Foreign Languages/ Fuzhou

@ silverboy: I think I know the kind of younger teachers you mean. I am 34, and so consider myself young, but it seems China is now awash with a wave of guys in their late 20's who are working in training centres simply because life back home is so boring or intolerable, that even being exploited at a training centre and worked like a dog for 7-8,000 rmb a month (700-800 euros...a pittance for the hours they must work!), is better than a past life in a place they can no longer stand for whatever reason that may be.

I'll give an example of a resume of a guy which I looked over who is teaching in a second tier city in Central China.
New Star is the name of the school/centre, and FWIW ALWAYS mistrust a name like that, just a place for lackeys/weasels imho!! Anyway, a photography degree/diploma, so straight away that implies working in the arts/multimedia as a natural progression, but then the career history gets more interesting, working as a valet, working in pubs as an assistant manager/head barman, then an admin position at a dental practice, so working in fields totally unrelated to his educational background...and then all roads lead to New Star!!

Could he get a job at a public gig? Probably. But does his background qualify him for teaching English at a halfway decent uni/middle school...well, you be the judge? This is just one example of many that I have seen.

Now Shenzhen is insisting on relevant degrees, as are other parts of the world, along with two years experience and CRB clearance...in the meantime, the bored office workers, barmen, and photography degree holders will all keep flocking to China to work at training centres such as york and all the other places.

Happy new years
TL

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