I used to work at EF, and had coworkers there that had worked at Wall Street before. I thought EF's educational standards were a little on the low side, but my coworkers who had worked at Wall Street actually said Wall Street's were worse and they like EF better. All I know for sure is that EF's main focus is building its image through chic-looking centers and slick advertising campaigns. Little thought goes into academics, maybe because the people running the company are businessmen, not teachers. Just my two-cents worth.

Back in 09', I had telephoned the Wall Street English in Shanghai as they had job openings and posted about them on several ESL sites. When I called them they sounded absolutely elated that I as a Native English Speaker was contacting them voluntarily. However I was up front about who I was and I told them I did not have a white face. Upon hearing this they immediately changed their tone and they promptly informed me that I probably wasn't going to be employed by them, and if they were ever interested they would call me back.

I won't call you a grovelling weasel, as you're not even good enough to be called that. You either do not know anything about teaching in china or you live your life with the blinders on around your eyes. Occasionally this board will have an individual like you who is "smart" enough to decide that training centers are victims of vindictive people.

You sound pretty vindictive yourself by accusing people of being too harsh on these "schools". Well you might want to keep in mind that there is a reason for us not liking these places. We have worked in them, we have been screwed over by them, and we don't like how they lie and cheat and scam our time and our money. Who cares if they use Longman/Pearson? Who gives a rats @$$ if they us Penguin Books?? Hell Pearson Longman has training centers in Shanghai as well, that doesn't make them any better. Many of us have learned the hard way of not trusting private "education" in china. The way you brush people off obviously tells us you don't care about others' experiences, only your own.

You're the one talking garbage by accusing us of doing it.

FOr the real teachers out there, not some of the nasty vindictive back packers who hang around here, I seriously recommend you look into Wall Street yourselves and do some solid research, don't just take my word for it or the sketchy uninformative rubbish others are forcing down your throat here. Find out for yourselves, I think you will be
pleasantly surprised I wouldn't agree with you that 'some of the nasty vindictive back packers who hang around here' aren't 'real teachers'. Most 'real teachers' teach in primary schools, secondary schools, colleges and universities. Me too. I'm delighted to be able to state here and now that I have never had to apply to any training center anywhere on this Earth for a teaching job up to now. Long may that continue!

So after interviewing with them. Taking a good look at how they teach and why it is done that way, the overwhelming amount of materials which are specifically made for Wall Street by Longman/Pearson - The owners. The fact that Penguin books, anyone from the UK will know who they are, also produce specifically for them too. The entry requirements, training which you are given before actually commencing teaching and the continual training which is given throughout working there for self improvement as well as talking to a number of current teachers I can safely say this....

You people talk utter garbage. You have, for whatever reason, a hatred of anywhere which is a training center and post things when you are clearly uninformed. Most of what has been said has no specifics, in other words just telling people the place sucks. The rest whilst covering some specifics is very out of date. Don't forget that Wall Street English and Institute have both been bought out and revamped by a reputable British publisher which is why when you look around the web you can find very little up to date info on any problems anyone has been having.

If that makes me what you call a grovelling weasel in your opinion then so be it. I'd sooner be that than the kind of strange people many here seem to be. It is clear none of you have really taken the time to actually look into this particular school at all and have labelled it simply because many other training centers are places to avoid. I understand people making comments about some of the other ones, I read some awful stories about the way they operate and how FT's have been screwed but what from what I have seen first hand now puts Wall Street in a completely different ballpark.

Ok off you go... Get all agressive and nasty etc. Personally I don't really care.

FOr the real teachers out there, not some of the nasty vindictive back packers who hang around here, I seriously recommend you look into Wall Street yourselves and do some solid research, don't just take my word for it or the sketchy uninformative rubbish others are forcing down your throat here. Find out for yourselves, I think you will be pleasantly surprised

Oh forgive me Silverboy. I didn't realize this was about catching people out or getting one over on someone. Stupid me for thinking this was a place to have an intelligent discussion and a place I could ask some questions.

At least CSS has made an attempt to clarify exactly why he thinks Wall Street is not worth a look in. The only thing you have stated so far is some info which is 6 years out of date in regards to not paying wages, I will post the link to that post so people can see the date themselves and that training centers should not be in shopping malls, which is not really anything specific on Wall Street rather your own opinion on the matter.

Here's a handy tip for you if that's your opinion on shopping malls in China, DON'T GO IN THEM THEN!!!!

I have walked past a branch of Wall Street today, I would hardly call it a fishbowl like some other centers I have seen. All I could see was the reception area. There was a solid inner wall behind that which followed a corridor leading to most of the teaching areas.

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