First and foremost, I have to say that this is the most ridiclous review of Bucheon Poly. I have even worked with these two people and I can firmly say that the people who wrote these had such negative views on the school that they only looked for negative aspects and blew them way out of proportion. At the start of my contract it was difficult for me to adjust as these two previous teacher would not stop spewing negative 'facts' and responses about the administration and even about their fellow foreign teachers. Not only did they make it hard for us to work with, but I have seen their negativity affect their classes and especially their children. They would stop caring and refuse to be professional and teach. So in short, please do not take anything what they said seriously. If you do, you would be missing out on being able to inspire wonderful students and meet a fun group of teachers to work with as well.
With those two gone, now I can say without a doubt that it has become easier to laugh and smile with my co-workers and the children without fear of being 'chastised'. As any Hagwon or job, there will obviously be work and things you need to get done. Bucheon Poly does not go so overboard that you can't leave when the day is finished and miss your dinner. This post has so many outlandish lies that I don't even know where to start. I emplore you to actually talk to other teachers, including myself, from the school. It's a great opportunity and we are only growing. As you have been told before, don't believe everything you read on the interent without doing your own fact check.
Yeah I'm going to have to agree with bpthrowaway on this one. Don't work for these people. I also worked at Bucheon poly during this time and it was a horrible experience. I don't know who this Alyce t. Wise person is because there certainly wasn't anyone by the name in the last few years. I'm not sure who the Bucheon poly admin thinks they're kidding - oh wait, never mind it's you! You're the one they're kidding! And this is only the beginning of a series of lies if you choose to entangle yourself with these people.
Don't do it. Just don't do it. For your own sanity.
Sure you get paid on time, and the pay is maybe a little bit more, but is that really all there is to life? Do you want to go to work in an environment where you get chastised for laughing and smiling? Do you want to work in an environment where the director is micromanaging every second of your time and you're not even allowed to eat during your breaks? If you work here you will work through dinner, but god forbid you are hungry and want to eat at your desk. You'll also because you're working all day never have time to do things like go to the bank or the post office - and if you do need to do those things you'll need to ask permission (which they might not give you) or again you will get chastised. Do you want to work for people who treat you like you are the child?
And if that isn't enough to scare you off, please know that these people are liars. They will lie to you. They will lie to the students. They will lie to the parents. I've even seen them lie to the department of Immigration. Is that what you really want? Do you really want to work for someone who's willing to lie to immigration? Where would that leave you if something went wrong?
Don't work here. It's not worth it.
I worked here during this time too. I think I know who posted this positive response and I can say it is unequivocally false. If my assumption on who this is is correct, it was posted under the pressure or "suggestion" by the director on a nervous foreign teacher.
Rest assured, kiddos, many teachers have walked away from this campus with plenty of horror stories. Bad management, deceitful director, and shady tactics are the MO of this Poly. The excessive turnover and non-existent contract renewal speaks for itself. Also, workload here increases monthly. This is due to the fact that students are leaving in droves and the director's "solution" is a nose to the grind approach, not realizing that lessons suffer because of this and -gasps- more students leave.
As far as payment goes? Sure, you get your paycheck. But they still find ways to stick it to you and save a few dollars. I've seen several people get their utilities "messed up." Often they try to get new teachers to pay for their entire first months utilities even if they come in at the end. Funny thing is, the previous teacher pays up until the day they leave, giving the director a nice meal that weekend. They also don't start paying into pension until maybe a month after you've started, so you even though they deduct it, you don't get it back.
There is a constant state of confusion there. Management never had a clue what's going on, and when you don't do something hat magically appears, it's your fault. There is also an exorbitant amount of grading, comments, and corrections on top of lesson plans and the 10 classes you teach a day.
Bottom line, up front: there are tons of hagwons out there. Don't bother with this. Some people go because the pay is a bit better, but when you do the math on hourly wage, you're working an extra full week a month for maybe $180 more. Take lower hours and enjoy your time there. Don't bother with this place.
Translation-Alyce is a Korean administrator or [edited]
Hello,
Before I begin, I would like to introduce myself. I have been teaching here in Korea for the past 9 years as an English teacher. There have been quite a few challenges working in a country that is not native to my own. One of these is mis-communication. I have also seen many teachers from all parts of the world come and go. Some have come with the determination to pursue education as a life-long goal. And others have simply come for the experience of living abroad. It goes without saying that everyone’s experiences teaching here in Korea have not been the same. So, before you consider coming, here are some things I would like to express.
As a teacher here at Poly school, it has been a challenge and a joy seeing the school develop and grow. However, it has come to my attention that there have been several talks of certain branches being better than others. I would like to address this matter with my deepest of concerns to you as a fellow teacher.
Currently, I have been working at the Bucheon campus. Although there have been some challenges here and there, my experience as a whole has been a pleasant one. Pay has always been on time and with each passing year, resources and the curriculum have continued to develop. Without beating around the bush, this post is a direct response to a previous post that was made by one individual who expressed his/her concerns about this school.
First and foremost, I would like to say that the negative post was made several years ago. For teachers who are considering to come, Bucheon campus is not how he/she has written and expressed. The children here are adorable and their English skills are quite good. The staff are always available to help and there have been no problems involving payment or other contract related things. In fact, if anything, there have been many teachers who have challenged or questioned something they felt was wrong only to see that it was all in the contract and apologized for their mistake. What I am trying to get at is this: Researching ahead of time and looking for the school you would like to work at is important. However, I ask that you take precaution on basing your decisions on what others have said. When it comes down to it, posts (even those based on experiences) are mixed with opinions and can be one-sided. It is important to take each and every person’s posts (especially those online) with a grain of salt. But for the most part, whether the things that people have said about Bucheon Poly in the past are true or not, the fact of the matter is that things are definitely not that way now. The teachers who have come recently have expressed how surprised they were about the working conditions here and how pleasant they have been. Again, in the end, the choice is yours. However, I wanted to express things how they are now here at this school and how much I have been enjoying my time here. As a teacher to a fellow teacher, I would like to wish you the best and hope that your time here in Korea be filled with wonderful memories and stories that you can share and keep with you always. Thank you.
I would like to Blacklist YBM Ssangmun ECC located in Seoul run by director Mary and Supervisor Suzie, a school that still owes me over $1,000 while I am at home and unable to do anything about it.
The address and phone number are as follows:
4F, S and F Building., 749-16 Chang 5-dong, Dobong-gu, Seoul 132-928
Tel : 02-956-0509
I was a bit naïve coming into this and I highly recommend that you do not work at this place (or any YBM HOGwan) under any circumstances. My experience was so awful that I did not finish my contract. It was the worst experience of my life and I don’t say that lightly. I left behind my apartment and boyfriend to come home due to this job.
-The day I started work, I was told I would have to work 12+ hours a day for “Intensives” (not mentioned in the contract) as a brand new teacher. Yes, I was working up to 13 hours a day for at least 3 weeks. I felt trapped as I was in a new country and had nowhere to go. This was a nightmarish period. I am 24 years old and this is not my first job and I was so exhausted I cried every night. What the job did not tell me was that the person before me quit and they desperately needed me as a replacement for intensives. Intensives happen about 3 times a year and you get barely any overtime. They will find any way possible to keep you there as long as humanly possible and take away your overtime.
-I taught 8-11 classes on a regular basis., often with no breaks. Believe me, 8-11 40 minute classes is EXHAUSTING.
-My supervisor Jeannie forgot or neglected to pick me up from the bus station upon arrival. About 2 hours late, 3 Koreans who spoke absolutely no English picked me up. I was given a note I could not eat until the morning due to a blood test (after a 20+-hour fight. I was starving and the next day I had my blood test. Then I was brought to work and told I couldn’t eat until hours later.
-WORKSHEET TIME! Rather than give us our scheduled breaks, this school forced me and my coworkers to stay inside the office and make worksheets. These worksheets were absolutely pointless and I never saw one of the worksheets used. When I asked to make worksheets for classes I actually teach since we never seem to have enough material I was told I was not allowed. The worksheets were checked by our supervisor Jeannie (now promoted to manager) who yelled at me for not finishing one once when all the computers were broken. When I complained about worksheet time my supervisor said I was “Weird.” When I threatened to quit, I was threatened with very expensive penalties. My supervisor Jeannie took delight in forcing me to do the useless worksheets. On the YBM website it clearly states that teachers are not supposed to provide the teaching materials.
-My apartment in “Anyang Apartments” had cockroaches, and wasn’t clean. I was given no bed and an absolutely filthy smelly mattress to sleep on and used sheets, and a used blanket and used pillowcase. The apartment came with no curtains (I was woken up at 5 am on a regular basis) and no Tupperware. The stove had to be replaced as it was broken and the shower and sink were broken. The air conditioner (in 105 degree weather) broke shortly afterwards. When I asked my coworkers they had the same problems and or worse, especially with roaches, which infested the entire building. The walls were filthy and covered with random brown stains (which they school cleverly tried to cover up with furniture) and the torn, filthy furniture had literally been dragged in from the trash (this was confirmed by my coworkers.)
-Sick days! I was under tremendous pressure not to take a sick day. Having taken only 2 sick days I set the record at YBM Ssangmun ECC for most sick days. Eventually I developed several infections that went untreated and had to go home without even telling them because I was soooo ill and was having severe kidney pain I felt my life was in danger. I discussed the pain with my supervisor Suzie and the possibility of having to go home and the only thing they could offer me was switching one class around. The did not offer to cut a single class to help me. At least I thankfully caught an emergency flight home and YBM immediately proceeded to harass my boyfriend who worked at another school and his coworkers trying to find me. (They gave me no help beforehand in finding medical care except to say wait 2 weeks or go to the ER-, which I had already done, but had nobody to translate)
-Upon arriving home, they told my boyfriend that he (who worked for a different school in the same company) would have to pay the overtime due to my coworkers. That’s right. They tried to get my boyfriend in a different school to pay THEIR overtime.
-My paystubs were withheld from me almost every single payday. I had to send 4-5 emails begging for a copy of my paystubs every time we got paid, sometimes to no avail.
-In the winter, there was NO HEAT provided in below freezing temperatures for the afternoon students who paid slightly less to go to the program. Students sat there in their full winter coats gloves, hats, and scarves and complained it was too cold to learn. I stood there in my coat and scarf and was too cold to teach. People were constantly ill and still showing up for work and school. I had to beg from the main desk for the remote to turn on the heat, which was often withheld from me. You can forget about heat or AC in the teacher’s room. Oh, and summer is worse. Expect to be working weeks in 90 degree weather with no AC.
-We went through 2 managers and 2 supervisors and several people quitting within just 8 months of being there.
There is so much more to say about the awful time I had there, but to shorten this long, horrible story, I learned my lesson the hard way. Upon arriving home I understood the exploitative and slave driving nature of the YBM ECC Company. I heard even worse experiences from other schools. Do not work for this company especially YBM SSangmun ECC, that’s all I can say.
Wow,
Most of this thread has gone in a completely ridiculous direction of attacking the Chinese for some strange reason. I don't really understand how that happened. I am posting my real name unlike the people who are bashing this school. I have worked at Bucheon Poly for almost two years, as has half of our native English teachers and Korean teachers. It is rare to find a large number of teachers who will re-sign with a school. Especially if it's as bad as "Kaylee Upton" claims. When I first arrived at Bucheon, there was an incredibly toxic atmosphere created by the teachers that were working there. Once they moved on, the rest of us were able to come together and work well. Is Bucheon Poly perfect? No. But there is no such thing as a perfect school, in any country. However, we get ample support from our directior and academic coordinator. We've never been paid laid and have always received the exactly how much we were supposed to be paid.
Websites like this can be an invaluable tool for people looking to teach abroad. However, they can also be a big problem when people such as "Kaylee Upton" write false statements for no other reason than because they have too much time on their hands. In all the time that I've worked in Bucheon, there was only one employee that was fired and believe me, it was completely justified. He didn't follow the curriculum and walked out of meetings for no other reason than to try and look "cool." We've also had two female employees that left their contracts early, one because she couldn't handle being away from her fiance and the other because she thought that she was above the work of a hagwon teacher. Every time that one of them left, the work environment improved. A big thanks to those three for leaving. I only wish they had done it sooner.
If you think that I'm a "paid lackey" then you've got your head up your ass. I'm a regular teacher, from the States who doesn't like it when people manufacture drama and lie because they want to bring people down to their level of immaturity.
If you're thinking about working at Bucheon Poly then try out a phone interview. If you don't like what you hear then look into other schools. But to take the work of the bi-polar creator of this thread would be a major mistake.
"Kaylee" why don't you tell and the other people bashing Poly school reveal your real name instead of hiding behind a pseudonym. I have a decent idea of who you might be and if I'm correct, thank you for leaving when you did. Although, it was still a little too late.
all three of us positive reviewers (current Poly employees) of being hired Koreans under the guise of a cunning employer, is neither fair nor true.
Until you can prove otherwise, I'm not going to believe a word you write.
This outfit does sound dodgy, until you can refute that, not even going to bother.
I would like to respond to the many negative reponses towards positive reviewers in this forum. This forum is meant to be a critical outlet for people who have actually worked and experienced the particular job in question. Posting comments which accuses all three of us positive reviewers (current Poly employees) of being hired Koreans under the guise of a cunning employer, is neither fair nor true.
If you have had a negative experience with hagwons in Korea, I feel sorry for your situation. You should, however, post negative feedback about your school in the proper place, and allow those of us who have actually worked at the school a chance to speak about our experiences without attack.
On the other hand, if you are a teacher, coming here to teach, and not afraid of hard work it doesn’t get much better.
rubbish GW talk....not even going to bother with korea or your nonsense.
I have been working in Korean Hagwon’s for three years now, and have been with Bucheon Poly almost a year. It is by far the best place I’ve worked which is why I felt the need to respond to the above criticism. In the time that I’ve worked in Korea I have never had a director who was more upfront, direct, and professional about finances and housing. Our housing is the nicest I’ve seen and our paychecks have never been late. She is also the only director I’ve encountered who has been honest enough to give us updates on our pension accounts and return our tax return money.
No Hagwon is perfect, but if you are honest with yourself about what you are looking for you can find a good fit here at Poly. This is not a school for those looking to take a paid vacation to Korea for a year. We work long, hard hours, and are consistently busy. On the other hand, if you are a teacher, coming here to teach, and not afraid of hard work it doesn’t get much better. Our students are incredible. I wouldn’t trade my Poly students for anything. I have never worked with such gifted and wonderful children. Our co-teachers are top notch, as are our materials.
In short, I have seen none of the issues described here at Bucheon Poly. Instead I have found a challenging, but rewarding job with students I love. I hope to stay for quite a while longer, and I would whole-heartedly recommend working here to anyone.
You guys/gals are ridiculous. My co-worker wrote the previous post because we are frustrated with K.Upton, who continues to speak so strongly against Bucheon Poly without ever having worked there. There have been some disgruntled employees who have left our school, but it was through fault of their own - arrogant, argumentative, and unprofessional are but a few of the ways I would describe those who are no longer employed at this establishment. As I stated previously, we have a great staff of dedicated educators who are in this country to experience and appreciate another culture, while paying off some bills back home.
Most people check Blacklist Korea before accepting a job or even an interview. I asked a fellow employee to help me out in dispelling the lies of one, Miss K.Upton. We are both well educated foreigners and do not wish anything negative upon anyone. I have no idea as to why you would suggest that we would accept payment to "con" people into accepting a job at our workplace. I have been at this particular hagwon for almost 2 years, and I think it's a great place to work. The hours can be taxing at times, but I knew that when signing the contract. Your conspiracy theories are ridiculous; I would never lure someone into a "hell on Earth" job. If it were as bad as K.Upton seems to think it is (without ever having been employed at Bucheon Poly), then I would be the first to come on here and completely agree with Blacklisting the school.
Something is just not right with the post above. It is TOO glowing. It is TOO perfect. Everything is SO wonderful in this school. It's heaven-on-earth.
To speak frankly, I suspect that the school-in-question put up this post. It smells so much like an "inside job". It is truly rare that any hogwan in Korean is that perfect. Usually, it is just the opposite -- more like h*ll on earth.
The above poster is going to have to do a lot better than this to make us believe.
I am surprised by seeing so many of your (K.Upton) posts all over the internet. I am not sure why you would spend that much of your time blacklisting, since you have never even worked at Bucheon Poly School, unless your email/facebook accounts are fake. I have personally met all of the teachers here in the past three years, and the director has worked with the foreign teachers for the past six years. Perhaps you worked at another Poly school, but this is a franchise and they are individually managed.
I have worked at this school for three years and have had a great experience. It has provided me with the chance to become a better teacher and experience the culture. I don't know why you would say that extra hours are required, since it clearly states in the contract the working hours. If the hours are too many for you to commit to, that does not justify the blacklist postings. As for the other claims that the director fires people for their dress-code, it is unfair and untrue. The person who was sent home was not fired. She was asked to change her clothes because she wore leggings and a sheer tank top to her preschool class. Any teacher in the US would be sent home as well for wearing the same. I have always been paid on time and in full. I have also been paid early before, including when I needed a large advance, as well as when the payday lands on a weekend.
There are ten foreign teachers and currently there are seven of us who have renewed or extended our contracts because we enjoy our jobs. Clearly, with such a high renewal rate, we are doing just fine.
I do not see how that is an appropriate response to my post. Are you suggesting that all hagwons be "Blacklisted?" I find it very unfortunate that your bitterness toward this country has resulted in you searching ESL boards, looking for someone to throw insults at, simply for recommending a place of employment.
I came to Korea to make and save some money; I stayed because the money is decent, the hours have not killed me yet (I couldn't do this for more than a few years... talk about burn-out), I love my kids, my boss is reasonable, the contract I signed has been honoured, and I enjoy this country. Again, if you're willing to put in the hours and keep the weekday social life to a minimum, Poly School is a great place to work. I have friends at about 4 or 5 different campuses across the country and have heard very few reasonable complaints. The hagwon system is a messed-up system by North American standards; young children doing book work all day rather than playing, 4-10 year olds stressing about tests. This however, is the schooling system that is an everyday reality in this country. If you can not accept it and "go with the flow," don't work here.
The Hogwan Owners association in Korea puts immense pressure on all Hogwan owners to conform to a rigid set of terms and conditions that encompass the employment conditions of all english teachers. I know from my own experience that 30 teaching periods per week is insane and unsustainable outside of a couple of weeks. Most Hogwans in Korea are corrupt and will systematically abuse their employees terms and conditions of employment at every opportunity.
If you truely believe what you wrote then I think you are either a Hogwan owner/brown noser or a deluded or naive westerner.
I don't know when you worked at this campus, because myself as well as a couple of other staff members have been there for over a year and a half. One of our foreign co-workers is in their 3rd contract. This campus is nothing like you have described. While the job is demanding, I knew that before I signed the contract. The hours are just as stated in the contract. We are always paid on time, and are paid early if pay day happens to fall on a weekend or during a holiday. Our boss only asks that we do our jobs to the best of our ability, and that we help her run the school as she sees fit. If you are on time, are respectful, responsible, professional, and do your job there should be no problems. I have not known my director to ever freak out on anyone unless she was justified in doing so. I have seen quite a few employees come and go for a variety of reasons: Korea isn't what they envisioned, the job was too much for them to handle, the age level of the kids did not suit the teaching style of the teacher, and some due to an incredible lack of professionalism. We have a great staff, and great kids. The only reason I would recommend that anyone turn down this job (anyone who is serious about having a real job, and anyone who knows what any hagwon is all about) is the hours. If you can't handle the hours, don't accept the job. It's a long day.
Thanks for your post. Another crap place to avoid in that racist country...
When will Asians learn they need to learn people skills when dealing with Westerners, ffs!
Hello,
I'm writing to blacklist a hagwon that I just finished a contract with. The school is a privately-owned "branch" of Poly School, located in Bucheon, South Korea. There are numerous problems with this school.
There are a host of problems with this school. The pay is not always on-time; some months, teachers have been asked to wait an extra week for their paycheck. The Poly School organization itself in the middle of a class action lawsuit about an illegal division of payment on their contracts, and they have changed their contracts, but the Bucheon branch continues to use these contracts, since they aren't part of the actual Poly organization. On top of all this, the director has fired three good teachers within one month of their contract ending to avoid paying their severance and plane fare home. Those who make it to the end unscathed are those who have the ability to kiss her you-know-what without it hurting their pride. She has terrible people skills, frequently yelling in the literal face of her staff, when she is frustrated (which is often), sometimes even yelling in Korean. What else...? She takes out more for the apartment deposit than is in the contract. Also, the contract promises prep time for classes, but teachers are so bogged down with NON-contractual grading that the Korean staff is supposed to do that many classes end up being taught on the fly. Resources are virtually non-existent. All in all, this is not a professional school by any means and it discredits the Poly reputation, which throughout Seoul, is good on the whole. Salaries are at least 600,000 won/month lower than other Poly Schools offer, so my recommendation is: if you're going to work for Poly school, find one in Seoul and don't come to Bucheon.