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#1 Parent Down with Esl Scammers - 2012-03-27
Re: Dalian Ealing International College

You are a [edited] Scott and thats the tall and short of it. You know exactly what goes on there, you are just defending a bunch of [edited] which makes you just the same- a [edited].

#2 Parent Down with Esl Scammers - 2012-03-27
Re: Ealing Smoke Screen and Bad Press Continued

Indeed this school is a criminal organization, hiring teachers illegally and using them only to disregard them at the end. 2 weeks ago yet another two teachers left Ealing disillusioned , without Visa and Pay. I and others like me will continue to make people aware of this sweatshop on this board as well as others and throughout Dalian as well. This company " Ealing " has harmed many teachers and deserves only bankruptcy. And as for you Scott, you are a [edited] individual, selling out your fellow teachers (and Americans )and defending them, when you know clearly what is going on- I laugh in your face and I suggest that [edited][edited]

#3 Parent Investigator - 2012-02-24
Re: Ealing Smoke Screen and Bad Press Continued

There are some slight elements of Chinglish in that post by "Scott Murphy" which cause me to suspect that the writer is not a real native speaker.

Once management was made aware, salaries were payed immediately.

Our reputation will not be cleared, because you seem to have judged us guilty before we could even respond. You do not INTERESTED in allowing us to clear our reputation as much as you seem interested in complaining about another one of "those" schools.

http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=42960

If that's correct, then "Scott Murphy" is not Scott Murphy but perhaps a Chinese person using his name. It is obvious here is someone trying to sell us rubbish!

So, "Scott" or whoever you are why don't you go back to EEEElling and tell your school kids that you are a fake!

#4 Parent Dragonized - 2012-02-19
Re: Ealing Smoke Screen and Bad Press Continued

Wow, Mr. Here's Your Answer... I don't know if you have any experience working in China or any idea of the difficulties in getting teachers-in general, native speakers-in particular, and jumping through all of the hoops required to get said teachers? Do you realize that this whole episode has been started by ONE unhappy former employee and that you have all run with it, giving undue legitimacy to his rantings? I personally know every teacher who has worked for Ealing. These claims are not made by someone who is actually in a position to know if they are true or not.

You will see, that I am not afraid to post my name and contact details...(Murphy.1China) on Skype... why is our accuser "safely out of the country" so determined to remain anonymous?

First of all, getting native speakers isn't too hard. There are fresh out of college types who will come to china, buying into the thousands of years of culture kool-aid and such. Secondly, you acknowledge the fact that the original accusations were made by a former employee, yet you then state that this person is not in a position to make any legitimate statements. I think you are LYING. Thirdly, why the hell would anyone want to contact you by skype? Considering you might already be a [edited] who has no remorse and [edited] about making lies. With your condescending attitude you've already shown us that you're the bullying type who will not stand a dissenting voice in your business.

You have thrown up a lot of diversions and you have offered a lot of smokescreens and you have proffered some rather inconclusive denials but the truth is that ... you simply have not addressed the issues. I think the issues have been addressed quite adequately

Quite adequately? What because you've been the one addressing them? You are the know all of everything? Narcissistic is what you really are.

Do we pay late? No.

Our payday was changed, for one of our projects, from the 1st to the 10th of the month, to reflect when we receive payment from our client. Notification was not received by the teachers, as planned. Once management was made aware, salaries were payed immediately.

Do we withhold money from wages? No.
We do withhold the Housing Allowance in order to pay rent for those teachers for whom we have arranged housing. I personally have made my own housing arrangements and Ealing pays me my full Salary and Housing every month.

2. You stand charged by previous teachers with not providing teachers with the proper visas which has resulted with some teachers being deported from China.
Either you do this or you do not do this.
Do we "fail to provide" teachers with proper visas? No.

If we cannot get a legal visa for someone, we do no employ them. With the exception of those for whom we are in the process of obtaining a legal visa. New regulations put in place by the Chinese government make it increasingly difficult to obtain "Expert Certificates" for foreign teachers. Additionally, transferring TO a Z visa from another type now requires the applicant to return to their home country to apply for this visa. The Dalian government is one of the most strict on this point. We have NEVER had a teacher deported. NEVER.

You already contradicted YOURSELF on the first 2 accusations, therefore you already have little to no credibility. If it can change like this after the teacher has already signed a contract, what's not to say that in the future these things will still change? The 3rd contradiction is especially infuriating, you use people to help your business and if you cannot get a proper visa for them, then it's possible that you will simply let them go after a short time working there and in your mind you "never employed" them!

Have teachers been not paid their airfare reimbursements, due to failing to meet their contractual obligations? Yes. Pretty simple... after 1/2 of the contract period, you get 1/2 of your reimbursement. After the full contract period, you get the other half. If you DO NOT complete the full year, CONTRACTUALLY you are required to repay the 1/2 you have been given. Ealing does NOT enforce this.

This is an extremely exploitative clause. Any new teachers or prospective teachers needs to take a look at the shameless attitude displayed by this "Scott Murphy" fellow and realize that if you ever go to a place that sounds suspiciously like a training center disguised as a university, well you need to ask for a sample contract. Bonuses are deserved by the teachers, and frankly if you're going to force the teachers to PAY YOU BACK then you're just cheating them out of their money.

Frankly, I am not interested in all of your "aside" type answers.

Because you're not willing to face the facts?

Either you did these things or you did not do these things -- there are no half-truths here. And upon that your reputation will be either cleared or it will founder. Our reputation will not be cleared, because you seem to have judged us guilty before we could even respond. You do not INTERESTED in allowing us to clear our reputation as much as you seem interested in complaining about another one of "those" schools. But that won't affect the students who we have already SUCCESSFULLY placed in schools in England and it won't help the ones whom we are trying to place now. THEY are the ones about whom we are concerned. Our STUDENTS. Too many foreign teachers lose sight of this. Fortunately, our academic partners in England KNOW Ealing and won't be affected by this.

Yeah, you've successfully placed students in a foreign country, so what? What does that have anything to do with the teachers who had a hard time working at your pretend "college"?? You're really irritiating and annoying when you talk about the students and your eagerness to use them as a diversion makes it all the more [edited] with how you run the business. Of course you made the money off of them, so of course you're happy. Foreign teachers take a salary, which means less under the table money for the likes of you and whoever you're groveling to, am I right? Your "academic partners" are just as [edited] as you for enabling your [edited] business. Unfortunately, aren't there just too many 2nd and 3rd tier universities in the USA and England willing to sell out their principles in the name of greed? Your partner schools in England certainly aren't the first, neither will they be the last.

#5 Parent Dragonized - 2012-02-19
Re: Dalian Ealing International College

WOW that is beyond bad! I hope you've gotten as far away from that place as you possibly can. I constantly read about these places in china that are crap, but are located in suppsedly reputable, developed cities. It seems as if the more the infrastructure is developed, the more the morals are "de-developed". Here's a mathematical equation to this:

M = Morals

rG = Effective Goodwill (as in having good morals)

rI = Effective Ill will (as in not caring about good business and just wanting to exploit you or take your money)

C = Crap

D = Development of said country

Now, let's calculate:

D = M - 10000 + (rI * 1000)

-rG = rI(Squared) + D

C = (D * -rG) * 1,000,000,000

So in the end, you have an endless stream of crap you have to deal with. Newbies good luck with NOT FINDING a bad training center.

#6 Parent Scott Murphy - 2012-02-19
Re: Ealing Smoke Screen and Bad Press Continued

Wow, Mr. Here's Your Answer... I don't know if you have any experience working in China or any idea of the difficulties in getting teachers-in general, native speakers-in particular, and jumping through all of the hoops required to get said teachers? Do you realize that this whole episode has been started by ONE unhappy former employee and that you have all run with it, giving undue legitimacy to his rantings? I personally know every teacher who has worked for Ealing. These claims are not made by someone who is actually in a position to know if they are true or not.

You will see, that I am not afraid to post my name and contact details...(Murphy.1China) on Skype... why is our accuser "safely out of the country" so determined to remain anonymous?

Thank you Ealing for all of your answers.

In not ONE of your answers, I repeat in not ONE of your answers, have you actually addressed the complaints leveled against you by teachers in your employ. TEACHER (1), NOT in our employ

You have thrown up a lot of diversions and you have offered a lot of smokescreens and you have proffered some rather inconclusive denials but the truth is that ... you simply have not addressed the issues. I think the issues have been addressed quite adequately

1. You stand charged by previous teachers with paying salaries late and witholding money from wages.
Either you do this or you do not do this.

Do we pay late? No.

Our payday was changed, for one of our projects, from the 1st to the 10th of the month, to reflect when we receive payment from our client. Notification was not received by the teachers, as planned. Once management was made aware, salaries were payed immediately.

Do we withhold money from wages? No.
We do withhold the Housing Allowance in order to pay rent for those teachers for whom we have arranged housing. I personally have made my own housing arrangements and Ealing pays me my full Salary and Housing every month.

2. You stand charged by previous teachers with not providing teachers with the proper visas which has resulted with some teachers being deported from China.
Either you do this or you do not do this.

Do we "fail to provide" teachers with proper visas? No.

If we cannot get a legal visa for someone, we do no employ them. With the exception of those for whom we are in the process of obtaining a legal visa. New regulations put in place by the Chinese government make it increasingly difficult to obtain "Expert Certificates" for foreign teachers. Additionally, transferring TO a Z visa from another type now requires the applicant to return to their home country to apply for this visa. The Dalian government is one of the most strict on this point. We have NEVER had a teacher deported. NEVER.

3. You stand charged by previous teachers with making off with the airfare reimbursement of some past teachers.
Either you do this or you do not do this.

Have we stolen airfare reimbursements due to our teachers? No.

Have teachers been not paid their airfare reimbursements, due to failing to meet their contractual obligations? Yes. Pretty simple... after 1/2 of the contract period, you get 1/2 of your reimbursement. After the full contract period, you get the other half. If you DO NOT complete the full year, CONTRACTUALLY you are required to repay the 1/2 you have been given. Ealing does NOT enforce this.

Frankly, I am not interested in all of your "aside" type answers.

Either you did these things or you did not do these things -- there are no half-truths here. And upon that your reputation will be either cleared or it will founder.
Our reputation will not be cleared, because you seem to have judged us guilty before we could even respond. You do not INTERESTED in allowing us to clear our reputation as much as you seem interested in complaining about another one of "those" schools. But that won't affect the students who we have already SUCCESSFULLY placed in schools in England and it won't help the ones whom we are trying to place now. THEY are the ones about whom we are concerned. Our STUDENTS. Too many foreign teachers lose sight of this. Fortunately, our academic partners in England KNOW Ealing and won't be affected by this.

Enjoy your day,
Scott A. Murphy
24 Dandong Jie, Apartment 2110
Zhongshan District
Dalian, PRC 116001

#7 Parent Here's-Your-Answer - 2012-02-18
Ealing Smoke Screen and Bad Press Continued

Thank you Ealing for all of your answers.

In not ONE of your answers, I repeat in not ONE of your answers, have you actually addressed the complaints leveled against you by teachers in your employ.

You have thrown up a lot of diversions and you have offered a lot of smokescreens and you have proffered some rather inconclusive denials but the truth is that ... you simply have not addressed the issues.

1. You stand charged by previous teachers with paying salaries late and witholding money from wages.

Either you do this or you do not do this.

2. You stand charged by previous teachers with not providing teachers with the proper visas which has resulted with some teachers being deported from China.

Either you do this or you do not do this.


3. You stand charged by previous teachers with making off with the airfare reimbursement of some past teachers.
Either you do this or you do not do this.


Frankly, I am not interested in all of your "aside" type answers.

Either you did these things or you did not do these things -- there are no half-truths here. And upon that your reputation will be either cleared or it will founder.
#8 Parent Ealing International College - 2012-02-18
Re: Dalian Ealing International College

I see this person has no idea what he/she/it is talking about as we have never offered ESL teachers bonuses. A-level subject teachers do get performance bonus based on objectives...

#9 Parent Here's-Your-Answer - 2012-02-18
Ealing College VERY, VERY, VERY Bad Press

Alright, Ealing, let's hear from you.

You seem to be getting a tremendous amount of very, very bad press around here on and on other sites.

Firstly, Cici J. writes that

(a) you cheat on salaries every month;

(b) you don't deliver on visas; and

(c) you don't deliver on the end-of-contract airfare reimbursement and all kinds of other things.

THOSE ARE TRULY THINGS THAT ARE A FOREIGN TEACHER'S WORST NIGHTMARE IN CHINA.




Secondly, you claim to be a "college". That is a serious misnomer at best. You are 100%

NOT

a Province-of-Liaoning recognised College. It's easy enough to check that one out with the local Education Department. You are just another run-of-the-mill language training centre, in a city that is overflowing with run-of-the-mill language training centres.

Thirdly, you claim all of these British Government affiliations -- and not one of the affiliations that you claim is true. Not one -- not one.

Fourthly, you have serious, serious problems in getting proper visas for your foreign teachers and many of them end up working on "F" visas, "L" visas, and all kinds of other illegal devices. Everyone in Dalian knows that about you.

Fifth, you farm out your teachers to all kinds of government schools in the greater Dalian area and you require your teachers to travel hours and hours in between assignments. In the - 20 C. Dalian winters, that can be quite miserable. In reality, a 30-hour workweek is actually a 50-hour workweek. Most of the schools to which you farm out your teachers are "ineligible" under government rules to have foreign teachers. Now what does that say?

Sixth, you claim to require 20 more teachers which would mean that you would have 30 teachers on strength and anyone-but-anyone that knows you in Dalian knows that isn't true.

Seventh, the money you pay is on the LOW SIDE for Dalian for 30 + hours a week and all of that travel. Any respectable "uni" in Dalian will pay the paltry sum of RMB 4,500 - RMB 5,000 for less than 16 hours per week with lots of time for privates on the side.

Eighth, a certain percentage(probably 30%) of your "foreign" teachers are

NOT

even native speakers, meaning that they don't come from the list of the Big 5 scheduled countries, which makes it cheaper for you to hire them, on the one hand, and nearly impossible under current Dalian FEB rules, on the other, for you to secure them the proper FEC and work resident permits.

Now, there are the "scientific" reasons why any foreign teacher seeking employment in Dalian might wish to give this school a "pass". These are verifiable, "scientific" meaning based upon facts, reasons.

Finally, on human note, your attempts to belittle teachers who have your school are truly cheap.

#10 Parent Cici J - 2012-02-18
Re: Dalian Ealing International College

Teachers depend on their contracts and as teachers we all know that when the contract means nothing because you're told in the middle of the night that it wasn't signed in Chinese by "a school" then all that is left is a bag of smelly poop !
This money mill doesn't care about anyone, even if they invited you over to China for a job. All they promise can never be trusted because they keep changing their promises.
These guys lack integrity and if you fall into their trap, you're a goner!
For your Visa.

  • what you're promised, you'll never get it,
    For your Salary, you'll fight for it each month,
    Reimbursements, you'll never get them,
    End of year bonus laughable, they'll always find a way to kick you out so they don't pay your flight etc.
    This is not a place to work, they only look for better ways to exploit their teachers like pressuring them to volunteer for free work and advertisment on weekends which is weekend!
  • Think twice before accepting any phony job offers.

  • #11 Parent Ealing International College - 2012-02-17
    Re: Dalian Ealing International College

    Dalian is as good as any other city to live in or just for work. As with most places in the world I'm sure it has a mix of good and possibly bad schools. As always it all depends on what you seek and what makes you tick..... I think Dalian is worth the visit....

    #12 Parent Scott - 2012-02-17
    Re: Dalian Ealing International College

    Wow, a bunch of reactionaries or just the same person posting ridiculous comments under different names? Chinese mafia controlling the ESL business? One person says it's bad at a certain school and suddenly all of Dalian is a place to be avoided? Please children, get your parents' permission to use the computer before slandering legitimate businesses.

    I will address the comments made by someone who sounds like a disgruntled former employee...

    SWEATSHOP, overworked in poor working conditions... Your opinion is your opinion, but YOU signed the contract. 25-30 teaching hours per week. (a 35-40 minute class is a "teaching hour") No evenings or weekends. (Once monthly Saturday meeting) Working in a public school. Sounds like a cake-walk to me, not abuse.

    FRAUDULENT teaching materials... fraudulent? I will admit that the materials leave a bit to be desired, sometimes a good bit. However, improving the materials is an ongoing project. The materials will never be perfect and anyone with teaching experience knows that teachers must adjust the material to fit their classes. If you want everything done for you, with no input into the material we are not the place for you to teach. If you want to make a positive contribution to improving the materials, we welcome your input. Maybe you'd rather just complain, instead of being productive.

    BRINGING you to China under false pretenses. If it was made perfectly clear... if you are of a certain age, you CANNOT get a Z visa. If you were already IN China, say... marrying your much younger "mail order bride", then the school didn't "bring you here under false pretenses". And let's say, for the sake of argument, that the school said they would help you with the expenses of renewing another type of visa. Is it any wonder, after multiple harassment complaints by the female staff, this offer might be rescinded?

    Is Ealing the PERFECT place to work? No, of course not. Do they make mistakes and do things differently than one would expect from an American business? Yes, of course. But TIC... this is China. Things are different here. And Ealing at the very least TRIES to improve and learn from their mistakes. Can we all honestly say the same about ourselves?

    #13 Parent Dragonized - 2012-02-15
    Re: Dalian Ealing International College

    It seems as if Dalian is quickly working on climbing up the list of cities in China to avoid totally as a teacher. Shame.

    #14 Parent San Migs - 2012-02-15
    Re: Dalian Ealing International College

    Thanks for the heads up, won't even bother with them now!

    Down with Esl Scammers - 2012-02-15
    Dalian Ealing International College

    WARNING: Don't go and work for this company- " Ealing International School " based in Dalian, China. They get you there on false pretenses. They are a sweat-shop type organization who only exploit their teachers with excessive teaching hours under poor working conditions, they promise work permits to China but don't deliver and have one working in government schools on their behalf illegally. In addition they say they were established in 1990, this is a lie, they have been operating for less than 2 years. They expect one to teach with fraudulent, unclear teaching material. They also string you along and never sign an official contract with you.

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