Don't waste your time
- 2012-04-13
If you're not threatening my character why have you stated that i abuse and cheat people as a way of life? If that's not an attack on my character then what is?
I believe in the opinions that i post on this site, just as you and anyone else who posts their opinions on this forum will also believe what they write. If believing what i write makes me self-righteous then i'm guilty as charged but no more guilty than you or anyone else. Let's face it, you would have to be mentally ill to be thinking one thing and posting another. At no point though have i indicated that i feel my opinions are better than anyone else’s and i haven't resorted to telling you not to post your ideas which you did do on your post of 9th April. This is a forum for ideas, some of which will be opposing.
Furthermore, you seem to back up your arguments against me with some rather broad and i'm afraid incorrect assumptions about who i am and what my motives for posting are.
I am not a manager at EF. I have never worked for them in any capacity nor have i worked for any training school in any role. What you have posted about me is just plain wrong!
To suggest that i am posting on this board to try and convert the masses to my way of thinking is also a fallacy. At the same time you finished your reply to me by advising anyone reading this site to ignore what i've written. This is blatant hypocrisy!
Again, going back to my original post I accused people of writing about events, schools and individuals about which they have no genuine knowledge. You seem to be hell bent on proving my point for me by continuing to make these kind of unfounded allegations against me.
For the record, I actually work at a University in China and started to use this board (as well as other resources) a few months ago to research where I might want to work next year as I’ve been in my present position for a few years and fancy a change of scenery. Having read quite a lot of reviews good, bad and indifferent I did notice a trend of negative posting by several people on this site towards almost any kind of institution. These include posts on active threads as well as posts from several years ago. It is my opinion that these posters for the most part have no experience of the schools and individuals that they post against and that their posts are generally rude, often aggressive and in many cases revert to name calling. These people may well have something valuable to add to the threads on this board based on their experience. If that’s the case then I look forward to reading what they have written, otherwise they are simply damaging what should be a useful resource for the ever growing number of ESL teachers that there are in the world.
Dragonized
- 2012-04-12
Nobody is threatening your character or not allowing you to post your opinions. You are projecting your own narcissistic sense of entitlement by talking like this by playing the victim whenever someone disagrees with you. You can keep in mind that you are speaking to different people. What others have said about you isn't what I have said about you. Putting things in perspective can actually make life easier for yourself. The one size fits all mentality is what keeps you in this argument.
I would suggest you tone down your self righteous attitude a little bit, maybe then the general population whom you are trying to convince can actually with you. Saying others attacked you so you attack others right back isn't going to garner sympathy. By the way I did read your original post, and you were just trying to "referee" perceived sides and people who criticize things in China seemed to get conveniently bunched together.
You are not the "end all" to any statements made from people on this board. Your opinions are not better than others, and randomly picking out posts by other people and labeling them as not liking a country shows you definitely have some ulterior motive. I will not waste any more time as other people are doing responding to your nonsense. I can tell you that I wouldn't be surprised if you were a manager of some sorts at EF, and you are still delusional with telling good from the bad, but maybe that's how you want it anyway. Abusing and cheating other folks is a way of life for you, since China may let you get away with this of course you are happy to be there. Manipulating words and calling other people who want things to get better in China as folks who hate the country goes to show how conniving you really are. I would advise ANYBODY who wants to go work in China to IGNORE all of your posts, in other words don't waste your time. Maybe you do really know about yourself and whether you are really right or wrong on some level :)
Don't waste your time
- 2012-04-11
You can keep your jaded ideas to yourself
Apparently because i don't agree with you I shouldn't be allowed to post my ideas and opinions.
You obviously haven't made any efforts at actually reading through posts going back months and even years.
No, I haven't gone back and read through posts. I don't need to, as i read the forum on a regular basis.
You can attack my intelligence or any other part of my character. I don't need to be told one way or the other who I am by someone i've never met. Furthermore, threatening me with attack only serves to demonstrate the ideas that i put forward in my original post.
Dragonized
- 2012-04-11
You can keep your jaded ideas to yourself. You obviously haven't made any efforts at actually reading through posts going back months and even years. It can take some time, but it's worth doing if you really care about the integrity of what you are actually saying. Just the fact that you decided to label everyone who goes against you as being on some "bandwagon" goes to show that when there is a real problem that is brought up you just try to fit this problem in some pre-defined structure of thought that was most definitely not conjured up by someone of your intellectual might and find the pre-determined solution. You came on here and attacked others, you can expect as much in return.
Don't waste your time
- 2012-04-10
In explaining my logic allow me to quote the professor from an earlier post on this thread
"My assessment is based on your input"
You accuse me of not knowing the people that i comment about. That's true. However, they have flooded this site with posts espousing their various opinions over a long period of time. I assume that they believe in the things that they have written and therefore it's logical for me to critique them based on what they contribute to a public forum.
You're right again in stating that i haven't disclosed any info about myself, yet i've already been labeled by these people as a GW. Of course i might be an esl teacher happy with their work and life in general - according to the logic of these same people this is what qualifies you as a groveling weasel. However, maybe i'm not. Maybe i despise my job, the students, my boss, China, etc., etc. or perhaps i just don't want to jump on your bandwagon of denouncing everything and everyone without considering other views and opinions of the situation at hand – seems like a logical position to me
San Migs
- 2012-04-09
Indeed, each of them is a troll!
A big case of 6 of 1, and a half dozen of the other. Going to take your postings, along with those of other newbie trolls, with a big pinch of salt!
a head doctor
- 2012-04-09
'Don't waste your time', you have proved your point about 'them'. The professor has quckly responded, being supported by the guy with the Spanish moniker, 'san' sth, and the 'dragonized' poster. Strange that the "Silverboy' poster hasn't responded yet! Indeed, each of them is a troll!
They openly admit that they don't like working in China or teaching (see below for links to previous posts).http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?noframes;read=43621
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/forum/index.pl?noframes;read=75915
Still they seem to spend a large amount of their time posting comments about these two subjects. What does that tell you about the mentality of these guys?
San Migs
- 2012-04-09
2. They openly admit that they don't like working in China or teaching (see below for links to previous posts).http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?noframes;read=43621
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/forum/index.pl?noframes;read=75915
Still they seem to spend a large amount of their time posting comments about these two subjects. What does that tell you about the mentality of these guys?
Hahahahah! WE got to YOU!
I never claimed to be a professor. Turnoi is a highly qualified professor though.
Just because we don't like to break our backs and become sellout lackeys, we are bad. No, you are the ones that are greedy and immoral!!!!!
Dragonized
- 2012-04-09
2. They openly admit that they don't like working in China or teaching (see below for links to previous posts).http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?noframes;read=43621
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/forum/index.pl?noframes;read=75915
Still they seem to spend a large amount of their time posting comments about these two subjects. What does that tell you about the mentality of these guys?
Don't waste your time
Hmm...you don't say anything about yourself, then you come on here and talk about others like you know them so well and by calling them "nasty", "rude", etc. you feel justified. While criticizing these people for supposedly mislabeling things because they've never worked there, you do the exact same thing as what the supposed perpetrators are doing by attacking their character and ideals even though you've never met them. Of course, we should definitely believe you, not these "other" people for no reason than the fact that you decided to pop your head in and post something. You need to re-examine your own logic.
Don't waste your time
- 2012-04-09
I'd advise Patrick, David and anyone else thinking of responding to the ultra negative posts made against this or any other school on this board to not bother.
David - in one of your earlier posts you mentioned trolling. You must therefore be aware of the rule - don't feed the troll!
Anyone using this site to do real research on schools and positions around the world will notice several things about these ultra negative and down right nasty people.
1. They have posted comments about hundreds of schools all over the world. They claim to be highly experienced teachers/professors but even so, they can't possibly have first hand experience or knowledge of all the situations that occur in every school that they post against.
2. They openly admit that they don't like working in China or teaching (see below for links to previous posts).
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?noframes;read=43621
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/forum/index.pl?noframes;read=75915
Still they seem to spend a large amount of their time posting comments about these two subjects. What does that tell you about the mentality of these guys?
Don't waste your time
San Migs
- 2012-04-08
What gives YOU the right to come on here and mock David, a foreign teacher who is having a great time in China?
In Suzhou, an EF teachers salary is mere peanuts compared to what the expats who live and work there earn, so I doubt they are really having a great time as you put it. But as silverboy stated on these boards before, Suzhou is just a GW place now, much like Shanghai always has been, personally it doesn't interest me, much as Hangzhou and Shanghai also do no interest me.
If he wants to break his back and drink beer at EF, let him, but don't mock Turnoi for being a professor and being free to work as and when he chooses to!
Patrick
- 2012-04-08
I am wondering what this kind of beer would be - perhaps EF beer mixed with a bit of water infested with groveling weasels?....hahaha
And I am wondering who YOU think you are! What gives YOU the right to come on here and mock David, a foreign teacher who is having a great time in China? Don't you know that there are many Westerners in China who are very happy to be here?