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#1 Parent Dragonized - 2013-01-07
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Yes, indoor heating is essential. It can get cold anywhere in China even in places near Vietnam and Taiwan during winter. Yet in any city or town south of the Yangtze River they locals in China are still adjusting to this idea that installing furnaces when the weather gets cold is needed. I do hope Hohhot is okay. Maybe Mongolian barbecue ain't too bad.

#2 Parent San Migs - 2013-01-07
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Ah, I have seen it before.

Lamb hotpot was one of my china faves, and it is all the better in Inner Mongolia.

As I mentioned previously, just not a fan of the winters there. It's a good job everywhere has indoor heating there, it is essential.

#3 Parent foxy - 2013-01-07
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It's a solid spicy 'brick' which you add to the hotpot before cooking vegetables and rolled lamb slices as well as sliced potatoes in the hotpot itself. You can also call it malatan. There are various companies that make this kind of product.
Here in a suburban district of Hohhot, I buy the meat at 21 RMB/ half kilo. But near the city centre it costs at least 28 RMB/half kilo.

#4 Parent San Migs - 2013-01-07
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Is da chong qing, the hot pot sauce, or huo guo jiang?

#5 Parent Dragonized - 2013-01-04
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LOL! He's revealing more about himself than anything. MC should be careful about too many local girls using him for free food. I've seen it happen enough to western guys.

#6 Parent Mancunian - 2013-01-04
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I have never ever taken a date to a posh restaurant or Western food outlet, or spent a lot of money

I will not respond any further if you keep this up. You are under the mistaken impression I take chinese girls to dates at those places and spend a lot of money, I don't as a matter of fact. I am not even in China anyway, so how could I date them>?! If I want to go to KFC by myself, then that is my choice.

I never accused you of any of that; my apologies if I have upset you but I know not why. Perhaps you have mixed the posts up a bit. Re-read.... Am I right or am I right?

#7 Parent San Migs - 2013-01-04
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I have never ever taken a date to a posh restaurant or Western food outlet, or spent a lot of money

I will not respond any further if you keep this up. You are under the mistaken impression I take chinese girls to dates at those places and spend a lot of money, I don't as a matter of fact. I am not even in China anyway, so how could I date them>?! If I want to go to KFC by myself, then that is my choice.

#8 Parent Mancunian - 2013-01-04
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Those are good cooking habits you've got there. I remember last year when I was at a Chinese supermarket how I must have spent about 45 minutes looking at the sauces and tofu's checking how much salt and sugar they put into. I finally settled on a more domestic, small name brand that didn't have as much salt and sugar but was made in Chinese rice wine so there was a residue of alcohol. But I have heard that any food even left in the refrigerator overnight will gather some chemical changes which may result in some alcohol residue. I settled on that one.
The high sodium diet that is a staple of Chinese cuisine no matter where you go in the country should be an imperative for anyone to eat less outside. Even at the noodle shops where I went when I was working in China they would make their rice a bit on the salty side. But the noodles were okay, just avoid drinking too much soup.

Good post, salt is pretty evil; however, health-wise, it is a mere lovable rogue compared to fags and drinking more than once a week. Also, it's not just what you eat but how much; we should also ridgidly adhere to 1500 calories each day, to maintain that waist measurement of 32". The official 'central obesity' measurement in the UK is 40" but 37 inches in the USA(disagreement here.) That is a waist measurement, which is above the umbilical (below the umbilical is belt and trouser measurement.) If you stray into a measurement of 35 inches, fat will build up around body organs and you could well be going to that cold house prematurely. It is a good thing to scrutinise food label to ascertain the contents; but all in vain if you leave the shop and start puffing on a fag. Am I right or am I right?

#9 Parent Dragonized - 2013-01-03
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Those are good cooking habits you've got there. I remember last year when I was at a Chinese supermarket how I must have spent about 45 minutes looking at the sauces and tofu's checking how much salt and sugar they put into. I finally settled on a more domestic, small name brand that didn't have as much salt and sugar but was made in Chinese rice wine so there was a residue of alcohol. But I have heard that any food even left in the refrigerator overnight will gather some chemical changes which may result in some alcohol residue. I settled on that one.

The high sodium diet that is a staple of Chinese cuisine no matter where you go in the country should be an imperative for anyone to eat less outside. Even at the noodle shops where I went when I was working in China they would make their rice a bit on the salty side. But the noodles were okay, just avoid drinking too much soup.

#10 Parent Mancunian - 2013-01-03
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and lamb hotpot is great.

Never a truer word, San Mig, well said. And what about barbecued lamb on a thin length of metal, washed down with cold beer, delicious- am I right or am I right?

I shall always associate sitting on a comfy plastic stool with tasty university student, sitting on the pavement, eating barbecue and consuming beer(coke for her) I have never ever taken a date to a posh restaurant or Western food outlet, or spent a lot of money. A good trick too is to let her have a big bowl of noodles on the way to the pavement feast, so she won't eat too much when you get there. Where are these other blokes going wrong- Do they smoke? If they do it's a total no no, because decent Chinese girls do not like fag smoke; only the street-wise difficult scrubbers tolerate smoke, because it's just a price to pay for getting their hands on your loot. Do these FT's have beerguts? Again, the decent girls won't like the abdominally obese, but the streetwise will tolerate these central abborations as the price to pay for getting your cash, or a ring in your nose(matrimony) Most Chinese girls are good and kind and unspoiled. Am I right or am I right?

#11 Parent San Migs - 2013-01-03
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At least we can agree on two things. Al Pacino is a good actor, and lamb hotpot is great.

#12 Parent foxy - 2013-01-03
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The bean curd though IMO isn't a good substitute for real cheese, I find it a little saltier than American Cheese which is salty enough. I do think people have an acquired taste for stuff like that though. Just be careful with the tofu's. I avoid the red ones in general due to it being too sweet.

Not noticeably sweet in N China, but salty, as are the white one and the smelly one.

Yep, two major factors at work here:
1) cost, which can be paramount!
2) additives, some are needed to preserve food, such as salt in olden days and nowadays!

I reckon you can remain healthy eating it if you avoid eating any other salty or sweet Chinese foods. When I cook, I NEVER add salt NOR sugar to any of my culinary concoctions, and my Chinese wife does so too, though unwillingly.
As for Chinese sauces, we should be careful. When we cook mutton hotpot, I use 'Dachongqing', which I've found to be salt-free. I'll even drink it during my 'mala' (spicy) meal. However, my wife adds from a packet sauce that is salt to her dipping bowll The Chinese in general don't know that salt and sugar are killers, though we, as westerners, know we need only minimal quantities of both in our diets.

Where I only intake extra sugar, maybe, is by drinking beer. So be it!

In the movie 'The Scent of a Woman', the line 'sugar is shit' is used. I couldn't agree more with that line.

#13 Parent San Migs - 2013-01-03
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Good idea the foam, San Mig. What about the old-fashioned sticks of shaving soap and the badger brush, one can whip up a nice lathe with that and it is easier to take a years supply with you? Am I right or am i right?

Shampoo? got to be careful, liquids are heavy. You can get a baggage allowance of say 35k going to China and then change to an internal flight which just gives you only 20 allowance- out goes the Vosene.

I think that is a good idea, the shaving brush at least, but everyones skin is different. The problem is most chinese men don't have the same shaving requirements as western men, so small tins of gillette are the best you can find in China.

True, liquids are heavy, but believe me you won't find vosene in China, and the shampoo is generally of inferior quality. H and S is also expensive in China for what it is, made in China.

#14 Parent San Migs - 2013-01-03
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Dear Foxy,

I know about the bank tip, as I am not a newbie to China but thanks away.

1 piece of advice I will give re: banks is, take your fao or a chinese teacher to help you convert your rmb if you are going home. Most of the banks in China will string you on and tell you all kinds of tall tales about why foreigners can't exchange rmb into foreign currency (and what good does that do you, if you are left with 20,000 in flights, bonuses, final pay etc at the end of contract!). So the simplest solution take chinese friend/FAO/colleague/teacher, they only need queue up, show their ID card, and you can get whatever foreign currency you need. Try not to go at a busy time, as the lines will be interminable, and make sure the currency you want is their in advance. Dollars/Euros seemed no problem in Hangzhou, but pounds were somewhat limited. As you stay in China, I suppose that does not matter, but for FT's going home, it's better if they change some.

As for food, I managed to cook italian food by myself. Didn't really like cooking chinese food in my flat, except the odd bowl of ramen, which is japanese anyway.

Eat at the muslim noodles places, they are cheap and filling. Just be warned some of them don't like you drinking beer, for their own religious reasons, whereas at some it is ok to buy beer from outside if they do not sell it there.

Happy hogmanay!
SMGS

#15 Parent Dragonized - 2013-01-03
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The steamed bread can be especially good for you if it's the ZaLiang (made with a mix of grain, oats, barley, and maybe wheat) type of steamed bread. I even lost a good amount of belly fat when I was on that carbohydrate diet. The bean curd though IMO isn't a good substitute for real cheese, I find it a little saltier than American Cheese which is salty enough. I do think people have an acquired taste for stuff like that though. Just be careful with the tofu's. I avoid the red ones in general due to it being too sweet.

#16 Parent foxy - 2013-01-02
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1) If you dislike eating Chinese bread, you can slice steamed bread and toast it. IMO it's tastier, and sugar-free. Toasters can be bought here in China retailing at 200 RMB or so. As sliced steamed bread varies in how long it has to be toasted to become brown, look after your toaster by unplugging it from the mains socket/adaptor once your toast is ready rather than by forcing up the two toasting trays manually.

2) For those who like eating cheese, but resent paying the high prices here of said product, you can try bean curd as a cheese substitute. It must be healthier than most cheeses - bean curd contains no animal fat There are two kinds that I can recommend. Both are sold in small jars:
i) white bean curd for those who prefer cheese that is mild or slightly strong.
ii) smelly bean curd for those who prefer strong cheese.

3) There is also a bean curd in a red sauce sold in a big jar as well as in small jars. The big jars cost around 20 RMB, but aren't available at supermarkets. Some street markets have them. A jar lasts me a month. Very good value indeed!

4) As for jam/marmalade, the small jars available @ around 5 RMB contain little fruit/orange peel and too much sugar. The small jars around 9 RMB contain much better quality jam/marmalade.

Finally, something else to be aware of:

If you wish to convert foreign currency into RMB, go downtown to one of the major branches of the Bank of China, but not at weekends. Opening hours are likely to be from 8.30 am until 6 pm, but winter opening hours will probably be somewhat different. Bank staff dealing with foreign currency aren't available during lunchtime, noon - 1430 hrs. Remember to take your passport and your Residence Permit with you.

#17 Parent Mancunian - 2013-01-02
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OXO cubes or powdered gravy is a good idea.

As for toiletries, I would personally take an extra large can or two of shaving foam. It is always more expensive or in smaller cans in China. That and vosene shampoo, again impossible to find for those with an itchy scalp.

fai zou mo(but don't know how to spell it) shaving foam in the right context. The trouble is as I am learning Mandarin I have to keep saying the same things to impress, so i have about twenty shaves a day ' zai chu qu yi qian wo dei gua huzi' (before I go out I must have shave) Feel free to correct me, I am just a beginner, ha ha ha. Good idea the foam, San Mig. What about the old-fashioned sticks of shaving soap and the badger brush, one can whip up a nice lathe with that and it is easier to take a years supply with you? Am I right or am i right?

Shampoo? got to be careful, liquids are heavy. You can get a baggage allowance of say 35k going to China and then change to an internal flight which just gives you only 20 allowance- out goes the Vosene.

#18 Parent San Migs - 2013-01-02
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OXO cubes or powdered gravy is a good idea.

As for toiletries, I would personally take an extra large can or two of shaving foam. It is always more expensive or in smaller cans in China. That and vosene shampoo, again impossible to find for those with an itchy scalp.

#19 Parent Mancunian - 2013-01-02
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So, should any prospective FT pack a jamie oliver 15 minute meals or bbc good food into their suitcase? Not a bad idea?

Just curious on how steak and kidney puddings could be made in China?

But your right, cooking at home is getting on the right path.

Good idea, could well do, but pop it on your laptop or pen-drive first to save weight. I would say I am not too aquainted with the great man and his food.

Suet and stuff is easy to get in China, and as a Britisher you'll know you'll need that for a pudding, but you can use veg oil and mushrooms et ceteras, if you want a vegetarian pudding. You do often have to tenderise Chinese beef. What do you say, am I right or am I right? OXO cubes are light and a good thing to take a year's supply. BOX CLEVER, what you pack your suitcase with, don't take toothpaste, shampoo soap..all easy to buy in China. Dried soup is good to take, but you can buy that in many Chinese big shops, cream of chicken & mushroom and many others.

#20 Parent San Migs - 2013-01-02
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So, should any prospective FT pack a jamie oliver 15 minute meals or bbc good food into their suitcase? Not a bad idea?

Just curious on how steak and kidney puddings could be made in China?

But your right, cooking at home is getting on the right path.

#21 Parent Mancunian - 2013-01-02
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Ofcourse, we can eat Western food in China, but that option is only open to wealthy FT's in China.

We can cook western food ourselves in China if we know how to cook it. I can cook some Western dishes as well as some Chinese dishes, Thing is, being on a light schedule gives you plenty of time to cook if you wish to do so.

How do you know Manuel wouldn't like Chinese food?

I don't know why you have suddenly changed your tune re China, especially after having taught here for quite a few years. But with your present attitude towards China, you're wise to have left its shores, that's for sure.

You are so right again Foxy, good post....but I'd go further. Now, I like China and the people but do not like their food. I know many FT's including myself who cook for themselves more or less any Western grub, and source the ingredients without too much trouble. I would say to all the grumblers, you leave yourself with too much time on your hands ,so stop grumbling and start cooking.-; whether it be bread, steak&kidney pudding/pies, chicken in the basket & chips, the list is endless of stuff you can cook. If you don't know how to cook, look on the Internet for instructions. When you arrive in China you can get off to a good start by bring the lightweight additives, like herbs. Do not bring lots of heavy clothes, because you can buy those in China quite cheaply, bring stuff to make your life easier until you have learned to source ingredients in China. Of course many of these ingredients are purchased in the market, meat ,veg, chicken, eggs. TUT TUT TUT, let's get a hold of ourselves.

#22 Parent foxy - 2013-01-02
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Ofcourse, we can eat Western food in China, but that option is only open to wealthy FT's in China.

We can cook western food ourselves in China if we know how to cook it. I can cook some Western dishes as well as some Chinese dishes, Thing is, being on a light schedule gives you plenty of time to cook if you wish to do so.

How do you know Manuel wouldn't like Chinese food?

I don't know why you have suddenly changed your tune re China, especially after having taught here for quite a few years. But with your present attitude towards China, you're wise to have left its shores, that's for sure.

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