Toto please post the email and cell phone number of this con artist. I think this Larry posted on here a while back. He was in Taizhou at the time if my memory serves me correctly. He certainly fits the bill of the sociopathic, lying sleazeball expat who pretends to manage useless companies. Several individuals like that I have come across in my treks around China.

Again, this only goes to prove my case for IP's being logged and forum users being made to register ala eslcafe style. The posters who most vehemently oppose this idea, are the ones themselves who go out of their way to troll these very boards, and so of course they oppose being made to register with their email and having their IP logged. These are also the same individuals who deem the UK a country with no free speech, because the police crack down on people who use the internet to make racist, sexist or threatening statements or use it for child porn, but yet won't look beyond their own front door of the flat in the country they live in, which does not allow access to facebook, twitter and youtube at all. And what would happen if you made a racist or threatening post on a forum or chinese social networking site IN China? I dare say it would have much more serious repercussions than having your front door kicked in at the middle of the night and being dragged off to the police station for questioning.....but those posters, presumably married to Chinese wives, will always defend their adopted homeland over their native one. Pathetic really!

Good luck
SMGS

Dragonized, I don't doubt your bad experiences in china and I've been very careful to state on multiple occasions that I take what you write at face value. I can't question your interuptation of your own experiences that would be illogical. What I can question is whether your experiences horrific as they might be represent without question and without exception everyone who has or ever will work in china. Now I know for sure that your experiences (just like mine) don't mirror everyone's therefore they can only go so far in making 'a logical' argument towards others.

I don't think my experiences would encompass that of everyone's, and I wouldn't believe that for a minute. There are billions of people out there after all. But I have no doubts that most teachers who have worked in china have gone through similar situations, and if they still had their souls they would be honest like me, just common sense. What I do is try and show people who have been through these experiences support and also maybe get some folks who are still up on the fence about coming to china to work to make the best decision for themselves. As for people who still want to keep their heads in the sand and show their opinions about these things I will also respond accordingly, I have always been consistent about that.

No, never wrote anything of the sort. That's the great thing about a written discussion forum it's all there in black and white. Much the same as what you've written about the Chinese being inferior in several ways is clear for all to see. If you're having any trouble remembering what you wrote (as you see to be struggling with remembering what I wrote) I'd be happy to provide the links.

I have no trouble remembering what I said about china when I was having these discussions with you, and I would like to tell you that since posting on here years back the experiences have not come right away but have rather been an accumulation of things that gradually branched out to broader topics and helped me grow and mature as a person. Again, you are judging me based on limited posts that only go back a finite time, which is the time from when you first started posting on here. You still have not shown to possess any credible knowledge pertaining culture, history, and modern social issues to even have the discussion. Your own failure at being able to compare and contrast things makes your conclusions limited. The things I have said about China in the past came not from merely seeing things in black and white (which is how you like to see things) but rather drawing them out from very very gray and muddled situations and not being afraid to have it tested and re-tested again.

You shy from such things, and I would not judge you for that if you did not accuse me of seeing things inaccurately in your mind. I do not like to judge people, but for you there is no question how I feel.

unless you mean that the majority of FT's are sociopaths who lack empathy?

I think this link to what Mancunian has posted in the past would be a good indicator of his real self:

http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=49425

Being that he has stated he will be out for a couple of months and that he thought he was being too much of a "nice guy", we can expect more of this nonsense once he comes back.

I don't care what you do, it's not any concern of me. Only concerns me when you post nonsense and promote your own self serving agenda.

ASTF rather served your own needs pretty well. You played the pretend nice guy while he plays the pit bull. But for the both of you you're not going to crack any skulls or blaze any new trails, you're just chasing your own tails and spinning the proverbial groveling wheel of so many pretend "teachers" who have come and gone.

I do mean to say this next thing [edited]. That is you have become rather chinese in your mentality with bullshitting around and not talking about the point on things you are uncomfortable with, instead questioning the judgement and therefore intelligence level of the people who even bring it up in the first place. Your words lead nowhere except to fantasy land [edited].

Look in the mirror, do you think if everybody followed you and lived your life the world would be better? The more you write, the more I see someone who isn't too keen on taking action for anything except running out and [edited]. Someone who shares too similar a personality with you might not even be liked by you. What with the ability to be both annoyingly awful and awfully annoying the think tanks of the world specializing in the arts, literature, and science are all buy lining up to present a lifetime achievement award to you. Am I right or am I wrong? But I should thank both you and ASTF for posting on here the past few months because you have both proved me right, again about what I said with China attracting some of the worst expats.

Perhaps a 'reasonable' guy such as yourself could try cutting out the foul and abusive language which is edited from your the majority of your posts (often multiple times)

Not going to reply to you any longer. You are obviously a [edited] 50 something who resents anyone else who wants something different. Good luck in the UK.

"Some" in this case would only describe you yourself. As for not scrunging off the state good for you if you can do it.

I rather think that ASTF represents the well-rounded majority of FT's in China, with respect, Dragonised.

Listen, dear boy, I must now start my travels, so I doubt you will hear from me for a couple of month, but I'll be back, you can depend on it, a new invigorated Mancunian- I believe I have over the past couple of months been coming across a bit too much as Mr Nice Guy; I will correct that character flaw-Put myself about a bit-Put about a bit of stick- Crack a few skulls-hahaha. Good luck for now. Mancunian.

I know San migs agrees with me on this sentiment. Thanks San migs

Of course, this must be the San Migs in some parallel universe or the San Migs you conjured up in your own imagination I presume. He stated he likes being in the UK but the job market isn't so good. This isn't completely in line with your opinion anyway from what you've written. Never have seen you take the lead on any meaningful discussions, always leeching off of others and stealing what others have said and twisting them around in the manner that you see fit. Guess in real life that is how you operate, just being your anti-social self.

I reckon I'll spend another 18 months here before heading back to the UK to work not scrounge off the state.

You will need to as you won't be eligible for any benefits anyway for 3 months, with due respect.

That just isn't true, he could apply for income support, as soon as he registers at the jobcentre. If he's the type of non-grumbling more action bloke I think he is, he will be combing the streets from dawn until dusk to find a flat; he will then be eligible for housing benefit. If he's the type of bloke I think he is, and doesn't sit at his computer moaning all day, he will not need recourse to public funds for very long, because he would have galvanised himself, morning noon and night to find a job. Even in today's UK there are jobs to be had, if you get on your bike.

Don't know why you need to be so defensive in response to dragonised, I didn't see him type a personal attack against you.

My word, was that a pig I just spotted soaring above that castle floating in the sky?

Some of us are happy in china. I reckon I'll spend another 18 months here before heading back to the UK to work not scrounge off the state.

"Some" in this case would only describe you yourself. As for not scrunging off the state good for you if you can do it.

I reckon I'll spend another 18 months here before heading back to the UK to work not scrounge off the state.

You will need to as you won't be eligible for any benefits anyway for 3 months, with due respect.

Don't know why you need to be so defensive in response to dragonised, I didn't see him type a personal attack against you. Good luck with the UK though, while I do like it, employment wise at the moment, it is not so good, hence the brain drain. I know more than a few people who have emigrated to Australia and Canada.

Good luck,
SMGS

Whether you like to hear this or not, while there are plenty of folks who would like to work in China there are also many more who think they can have a good time working there but will not get the good experience they desire. For me, it would take a lot of self sabotaging such as breaking down my support network of friends, not going back to school, and adopting a hopeless addiction which would curtail me from pursuing a veritable career in the West. China can only handle a certain type of expat, and whether this type of expat is considered socially desirable back where he/she came from is up to the opinions of the general masses, not to us. I have confidence though that I would find most people's opinions of how they feel about this type agreeable to my own.

Posters on here can grumble about uk police kicking in someones door for posting a racist or threatening post on twitter, but don't seem to look beyond their own front door in the land where they currently live. " Twitter" or "Facebook" certainly cannot even be accessed to make any kind of post, and even VPNS are being restricted to boot.

It is laughable and downright insulting to other people's intelligence to see how some of the posters defending china would use their own "trials and tribulations" in the west as the excuse to, well excuse the crappy behavior of their mighty chinese masters and even attack other westerners who dare speak the truth of what china really is about. I think they can be correctly labelled as the biggest living jokes around.

True, I wonder what chance the "occupy" movement would have on the mainland as a form of activism. Not much. Posters on here can grumble about uk police kicking in someones door for posting a racist or threatening post on twitter, but don't seem to look beyond their own front door in the land where they currently live. " Twitter" or "Facebook" certainly cannot even be accessed to make any kind of post, and even VPNS are being restricted to boot.

You are being exploited from working in China, especially if it's at any place with "private" attached to the name. There is no shame in going back home and getting free handouts. You will be back in your element with people who have things in common with you. I have heard of facts about women from Middle Eastern countries bringing their kids to Britain and immediately getting a free apartment as well as aid that exceeds 1,000 pounds per month. If you contributed to the British economy all those years, then you have every right to go back and take what belongs to you.

I think you have the answer to the question yourself, Dragonized. Those of us Brits who can trace out ancestry back a thousand years, as Anglo-saxons and Celts are simply being outbred-I suppose it's a natural way of things- why, even the old love hate relationships(which served us very well indeed thank you) between, Scots, Irish,Welsh and English are becoming irrelevent- many of us simply no longer feel at home. It would be a sad and painful thing indeed for many of us, to stay and watch its further decline. Returning home to your own country can be a bit like returning to your own house to find it redecorated in all the the ways that are just simply not to your taste and impossible to live with. China can be a shitty place, but it's not your place, so you can live with it. Let the new key-holders have the hand-outs... I can't say I think they are welcome to it...but, nobody else's fault but our own- you certainly can't blame the new incumbents.

In this case, I was referring to your friend Mancunian. I certainly hope this isn't some lame attempt to take my words out of context, again.

You keep on about my lack of Chinese against your fluency-whereas, I admire you for all the hard work you must have put it, I myself am now trying hard to learn- and like old Major in Animal Farm I say to myself every day, I can work harder, and tomorrow I will work harder-or, specially learned to send this reply(yousee I must respect you) so the same in Chinese-jiu xiang Animal Farm li de Old Major,jingchang dui ziji shuo, wo keyi geng nuli de gongzuo.bingqie cong mingtian wo jiu hui geng nuli de gongzuo.(any mistakes, please correct me)lol

Yes, you can work harder and harder and promise that to your expensive clients in that fish tank of what resembles a classroom in some franchised crap pretend "school". Which one are you working at now? Web? IELTS? Aston? Have you always stayed at EF?

The massive numbers of strangers who pass them every day in front of their windows and on the street are as "familiar" as the posters whom they respond to on the internet.

Yes, that's right! Well said dragonized. We should be careful not to take everything we read on the Internet as a given. Good advice.

Thank you for posting this Alice. I originally posted a not so kind response to the MC poster for writing the tripe he did but the admins thought it was too explicit apparently so it was never published. I will revise it and tone it down to this: Many, many middle aged men with nowhere else to go but a place like China need to work there in order to make a living. For all I know I could still be working as an ESl teacher by the time I am their age. But we need to be supportive and inform each other like you said of these terrible places so other individuals do not get hurt. Unfortunately a couple of these men who have been posting on here regularly for the last couple of months seem to have lost the values of where they came from. They are stuck in an odd state of being where they are no longer in touch with the culture that they were raised in, and do not have the smarts to fully integrate themselves into the new society that is hosting them. But being that they only get the best treatment as guests of course they would not feel the need to integrate themselves, not that the chinese would care to see them as equals ever. So in a sense their existence has no real value to anyone or anything they feel attachment to, so what do they do?

They troll, troll, and troll the posters with something real to share. They try and make others feel as worthless as they are by personally attacking and marginalizing anything useful so as to further their own means of justifying an nihilistic existence. The massive numbers of strangers who pass them every day in front of their windows and on the street are as "familiar" as the posters whom they respond to on the internet. Make fun of them as often as possible, and don't forget to add a few insults to bring them down to earth.

Hi Guys!

If every someone with anything to complain about chooses to keep quiet and just to walk away and to forget about it, in my own opinion deserves to be a victim and encourages these kind of schools to keep doing it to new comers in this industry, to make more and more victims among ESL teachers and to get the wrong idea that actually most of the ESL teachers are suckers and outfits who lack the courage to fight back, have no teeth and no balls! If last year Eric, the Cameroonian teacher took the beating and after two weeks left the school without posting any complain about this,was almost as quilty as those who beat him up( Ryn [edited])
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If we, the ESL teachers as human beings do not have the guts to speak up and highlight the injustices and the negative aspects that happen in some of the Chinese schools, both private and public, we are quilty of being too scared, too coward or too ignorant about it and, who knows, it may happen to you one day. YOU MAY BE THE NEXT!

So there is so much more I can tell you but I think you can get the picture of what kind of school you are going to deal with if you accept a contract with Pingdingshan University.

DO YOURSEF A FAVOUR AND IF YOU ARE SENT A CONTRACT FROM PINGDINGSHAN UNIVERSITY< DELETE IT FROM YOUR INBOX AND NEVER LOOK BACK. if F...., one of the most infamous agents will introduce this school to you, just refuse.

YOU WILL THANK ME FOR IT!

The ESL teachers housing has NO CENTRAL HEATING and also the classrooms have no heating and broken windows during the very cold Henan winter. I had to stay in a cold classroom 8 hours a day in December and after a while I did understand that the school has no heating for the whole winter time! When I complained about the lack of heating in the winter, the school headmaster advised me to wear more layers of clothes and do not go barefeet.

Well, Alice, Hello. Central Heating is not the 'be all and end all; central heating only means that the boiler/generator of the heating is centralised is a particular place, and sometimes quite remote from servant heating outlets in your flat. I assume you managed quite well by plugging in electric fires because you didn't say that your flat was cold; only that the classes were, because of the broken windows. Broken windows or not, central heating or not, middle schools and universities are more often than not cold, because the students themselves like to very annoyingly open the windows- not much you can do about that one. Your headmaster sounds very wise; although, you going around bare-footed in winter must have exasperated him. Yes, and he's right about the many layers of clothing needed too.

sorry no time now, too much more pressing stuff to bother to explain english sayings.

Thanks for the heads up. Another one to avoid!

Well said, San Mig.

This 'head ups' expression, I've heard a few times by different posters on this site, to apparantly indicate 'thumbs down' Now I know, heads up, heads down, tails up, tails down, used to make a decision upon the toss of a coin; but(and pardon the pun) I can't make head or tails of 'heads up' to mean what it seems to on this site. I like to try and understand how words or expressions mean what they do; so, if you can go into this 'heads up' for me I'd appreciate it. Many thanks.

Pingdingshan University , Henan province, - the worst place to be as an ESL teacher in China. AVOID! AVOID! AVOID!

Pingdingshan Univerity is famous for its lack of foreign teachers because of the dishonest behaviour, unfriendly and corrupt staff, very...very poor working conditions, horrible housing area.

Pingdingshan University is unable to fulfil the promises and most teachers leave after only one month of contract. By using the most infamous ESL agents, Pingdingshan university will lure the ESL teachers with promises it fails to deliver and by the time you find out it's too late.

The ESL teachers housing has NO CENTRAL HEATING and also the classrooms have no heating and broken windows during the very cold Henan winter. I had to stay in a cold classroom 8 hours a day in December and after a while I did understand that the school has no heating for the whole winter time! When I complained about the lack of heating in the winter, the school headmaster advised me to wear more layers of clothes and do not go barefeet.

There are lots of lies at Pingdingshan university, they do not PAY ON TIME and if you got the guts to ask your rights they will threat you phisically.

Last year, a teacher from Cameroon, Eric, has been beaten close to death when had the courage to ask for the ticket bonus at the end of the term by Dylan R[edited], an American colleague, who was given the power and constantly encouraged by the school headmaster, so called MR He, to bully the other ESL teachers and even allowed him and his gand to beat them. So a black ESL teacher has been beaten only because had the guts to ask for his rights stipulated in the school's contract. And the school covered everything and kept the American hooligan, even allowed him to move in his girlfriend alias his student and to live happilly in the teacher"s apartment.
What happened at this infamous university is almost unbelievable!!

THIS IS PINGDINGSHAN UNIVERSITY< THE WORST PLACE TO BE IN CHINA!
SO DO YOURSELF A FAVOUR AND AVOID THIS PLACE !