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#1 Parent San Migs - 2013-03-10
Re: Dell English School, China

What exactly do you spend your money on?

I think you are extremely naive if you think there are Chinese who are locals, who are not earning more than you, believe me, an FT's salary is considered poor these days, justifying it because it is songyuan is nothing. I bet there are still high end ktv's and restaurants out of the range of FT's with leftover pocket change from 4,400 rmb each month, rich and poor everywhere.

#2 Parent Dragonized - 2013-03-10
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There is more than enough information to go on. Just because something happened 3 years ago doesn't mean anything as changed. A leopard doesn't change it's spots, now does it? I don't know how much more "negative information" you would need to tell yourself that you should stay away from the place, and as Turnoi said the lack of logical integrity on your behalf makes me think you aren't who you say you are, no offense intended.

#3 Parent Rob Hewitt - 2013-03-10
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I was merely trying to show my perspective on the school that I have been working for.

The proof you show are from 3 years ago and are written by the same person. Now I do not know this person, but it seems by the large amount of information and the emotions displayed, that there is more going on then a simple negative experience at the school.

#4 Parent Dragonized - 2013-03-10
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http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=29795

Rob I believe this post shows that the visa issue with this company is still very much up for debate. Here is another one:

http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=29689

Even if your boss or ex-boss got you a visa, it wouldn't be good business practice to lie to someone about the salary and how much one should get paid. He may have treated you okay, but that doesn't mean he did with everyone.

Here is the post with the most meat:

http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=29987

May I share some quotes written by Dell himself?

Your recent problem with your visa is Bill's fault and your mistake for going to the bureau and not having your new job take care of your visa.

The owner blames someone else for not taking care of the visa issue which is within his very responsibility for guaranteeing the welfare of the teacher. The "not having your new job take care of your visa" part is a lot of bullcrap because in China you need that release letter from your former employer.

Before we hired you Mao, I told you that you would stay with Jordan because our school was new and we are waiting for apartments to be built. Until then you would have to live with him. Yes the conditions were not so great because it was a rental property. But you knew all of this from day one. You are not the only one impatient about the apartment conditions. I've been waiting 9 months for my apartment to get finished. The apartment complex keeps telling us next month, next month, next month. I've been hearing from them lately "Next week Next week" The conditions with your apartment were due to the land lord.

Instead of actually TAKING OUT THE TIME to find a good place to live, the owner continues to give excuses for not giving the teacher proper living conditions. I know for a fact that in China, companies will make pacts with landlords and have them deduct excessive amounts off of the electric bills as well as water costs from the teacher's salary (this has happened to me personally as well as to teachers who worked for Tianshou in Changchun). If the teacher is in charge of paying rent there is also the opportunity to steal from them as the company will show on the salary note that xxx amount of rent was paid when in fact there was an extra few hundred yuan added on top.

By law because you don't work for us we are to report to the bureau that you no longer work for us and they are then to cancel your visa and or change it to a tourist visa. We don't cancel it. We just inform them that you are no longer an employee of ours.

Another denial on the part of Dell. Companies are responsible for the release letter as long as the teacher didn't commit illegal actions which would merit the denial of the release letter. Unfortunately people who go on power trips (such as your boss) will enjoy being vindictive just because the teacher dared to disagree with them.

I asked you nicely could you help us for a couple weeks until David the new teacher could arrive and then you could leave. You then stated that you may have an interview during that time and that you must go. I talked to Uncle and Lisa and we all agreed that you could do that because finding another job was important. Here is where the problem is. You found out about your interview. You called my phone but it wasn't working while I was in Beijing. You should have immediately contacted Lisa to let her know. Instead the day before your interview, you contemplated on if you should wait till I get back to inform me and then talk to Lisa or just go with out saying anything to Lisa. The moment you got that call about that interview you should have called Lisa when you could not get a hold of me. I know that during your meeting with Lisa, things were said that did not go over well and she insulted your character and threatened you. I had a nice talk with Lisa and told her about this mistake and that the way she handled the situation was unprofessional and was uncalled for. When you came back from your interview she was to apologize to you and we were going to let you finish out your time here. You would have left with no ill regrets and you would have received your final pay and ticket to Beijing.

Another coverup on behalf of Dell towards the poster. He can say whatever he wants about getting his crony Lisa to behave in a professional manner because he knew the teacher would not be there anyway due to being fed up with the poor treatment. Blaming the teacher for not having the cell phone on(another lie possibly as bosses of training schools have enough money to have more than one fancy phone and more than one contact number). Why couldn't he give out an alternate number to the teacher if he really cared about the well being of the teacher? It always comes down to poor treatment of teachers leading to blowback, which leads to coverups on behalf of the bosses. This whole charade always starts with the boss believing they are above making any mistakes or being called out for making mistakes just because they are in a position of power.

Avoid this "school" and avoid dealing with the unprofessional behavior of this company!

#5 Parent Rob Hewitt - 2013-03-09
Re: Dell English School, China


Wouldn't matter if they paid you on time or you yourself got the high life on 4000 rmb, wouldn't matter if it was 40,000 rmb or 4,000 dollars. One call to the PSB and you're toast if you're on the wrong visa.

This is a true statement, but can you explain your reason for bringing it up in regards to this conversation. I had to go through the whole process of getting a legitimate work permit in order to work at Dell English School and I am not aware of any of the other foreign teachers having the "wrong visa".

I am fine with you giving advice to people on finding a good school. But if you are bringing up false claims, then I do wonder what your reason for this is?

#6 Parent Alternate - 2013-03-09
Re: Dell English School, China

Wouldn't matter if they paid you on time or you yourself got the high life on 4000 rmb, wouldn't matter if it was 40,000 rmb or 4,000 dollars. One call to the PSB and you're toast if you're on the wrong visa.

#7 Parent Rob Hewitt - 2013-03-09
Re: Dell English School, China

What exactly do you spend your money on?

I would agree that the 4000 rmb is low if we are speaking on places like Shanghai, but this is Songyuan. It is an extremely fair salary especially considering that most of the Chinese is the city make a lot less. I make more than that as I am no longer in the probation period, and I probably only spend about 2000 rmb a month.

I have been in Songyuan at Dell English School since June of last year and I have to say that a lot of these comments seem like a personal vendetta against Dell more than anything. I get paid on time, my TA's are really helpful in working with me in my lesson and in class, I was able to get my visa done without any problems. I have had stressful times, but I am willing to peg that up more to culture stress than anything else.

I am reticent to post here as the old joke about not wrestling with pigs as you will get messy and they will enjoy it, but as I read the posts, it did not reflect what I have experienced for the past 9 months. As to the other posts, I have no idea. I do not know these people and I can't speak for them, but if you want the perspective from someone who actually teaches at the school right now, email me. Nothing against this forum, just what I prefer.

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