Now, my advice to you is.... piss upon shitty Chinese bosses, like I do!

You're not listening to me, Foxy. Poor old me, I can't find any 'shitty Chinese bosses to urinate over. I have tried, searching far and wide, crossing my legs to hold it all in as I ask one person after another 'can you tell me where the nearest shitty Chinese school boss is ,please?... but I just get baffled looks, and, mei you, mei you? guffaw guffaw.

You will know now that I'm not playing silly mind games, and I mean it when I say your posts will wise up many of those who would come to China in good faith to teach, only to be horrified by the way they will be cheated and treated if their Chinese bosses do not value their teaching.
Even so, China is a good place for some expats to live and work.
I'm not flying any country's flag. Just because it's my best option doesn't mean I'll praise it up. Like everwhere in this world, the culture has things I like, but also things I dislike. I'm not a patriotic person.

Ok, you are entitled to your opinion. Just remember that we are also not in China to fly the flag of Chinese culture. We are not here to do what they want or improve their society. They are a greedy and self-serving race of people. Therefore, it is our duty to use them to get what we want ( eg, money, sex ) etc.

With respect, if Foxy wants to fly the flag of his adopted country, that's up to him.

I rather think that CityBank is a lot more greedy and self-serving than this worryingly put 'race of people' (has some bad historical connotations that one)

In fact, I dislike British culture

To each their own....there are a great many who do like it however!

Hardly anything I said that could be considered philosophical. I was merely pointing out the facts of what people want, but I won't delve deeper. I just want people to know that so as long as the Chinese and other people keep their ways of cheat and as you said serfdom with their ways of life then my views will not go away, only grow stronger. You do seem to be put off by the fact that some of the things I stated may have invaded your sense of space and maybe ruffled a feather or two, but I did not intend to attack you in such a personal manner. What I have seen is the fact that some older posters want to change the opinions of mine and will go to no ends to discredit me. This board got to where it is by a collaboration of people who are both young and old, and I will not think nicely of those who want to steal the fruits of what was produced. People who don't bother contributing anything useful and still want to lecture to me on how to live life will get nothing but ill will, and justifiably so.

I have worked at the public type gigs that you have mentioned, and I do believe it would suit you well. I have disagreed with your attitude towards a couple of the other posters on here but I didn't argue with you over that. I do believe everyone has a right to live however they want. But at the end of the day anybody who actually feels secure about working at crappy training centers full time would not care to even read our posts nor attack us. But as I have found out there are still plenty of insecure types out there.

I think expecting fairness is something anybody should keep their whole lives. The way expats have been cheated would be synonymous to there being an ESL Pie, divided up into 10 slices. The Chinese have already taken up 5, and have stolen 3 from us expats. There shouldn't be a discussion amongst us on how to "fairly" divide up the remaining 2 between Chinese business owners and foreign teachers. We keep what is ours and take back what belongs to us. That is the same anywhere you go in this world. No matter where you go the locals of whatever country you go to like to tell you how much "culture" they have which is almost the same thing as Virtue with the way it is used. It is only logical to expect standards, and reasonable to expect fellow human beings to strive and live up to a certain amount of decency that can be called competently human. If they can't do it, the onus is on them and not us. They deserve all the ridicule, bad publicity, bad karma, and shame they can get.

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Good teachers should not come to China to teach. When I say good, I don't just mean people with fancy degrees but rather folks with principle and a good head on their shoulders. They deserve better than to have their good will pissed on by expats and local chinese alike. I hope this clarifies some things.

Well said. I agree with you wholeheartedly.

I'm proud to say I printed my degree off in the rest room at Barnstaple Crematorium, and when I got home, my lodger, put the final potato stamp seal of approval on it on behalf of Exeter University; not fancy but hopefully Dragonized concedes that I have a good head on my shoulders.

As for cut-short local Chinese, they haven't urinated in my direction to date-be pretty cross if they did, guffaw guffaw. How's your chum, San Mig, by the way?

Good teachers should not come to China to teach. When I say good, I don't just mean people with fancy degrees but rather folks with principle and a good head on their shoulders. They deserve better than to have their good will pissed on by expats and local chinese alike. I hope this clarifies some things.

Well said. I agree with you wholeheartedly.

I don't know what to make of your response. Quite frankly I have done as much as I can to not create any animosity between the two of us. I was not pointing the finger at you with the post I made. I will be honest and say that I have disagreed with you in the past but I left you well enough alone because you haven't tried to mislead intentionally, just saying what you did from your own experience. My post was more or less directed at the more recent posters who want to attack teachers of a younger age based on more groundless reasons.

Good teachers should not come to China to teach. When I say good, I don't just mean people with fancy degrees but rather folks with principle and a good head on their shoulders. They deserve better than to have their good will pissed on by expats and local chinese alike. I hope this clarifies some things.

The best research won't cover the numerous lies that plenty of sellout expats such as the one you're responding to will tell you. The first job I had in China my soon to be manager who was a middle aged american told me all sorts of things about how my life would be when I went to China. This was Aston, and back in 2007 you would not have found too much bad news about this company on the internet without a considerable amount of liars telling you how good it really is. Of course, going there I found out the hard way how I was duped. They still owe me money.

What I have found working in China is that the older expat teachers are mostly not too caring nor do they know anything about the inner workings of how the Chinese do business and how they plan as well as execute their methods of exercising control over you. However when the shit hits the fan and a few expat teachers speak out they get irritated at the others for disturbing the nest so to speak. What they want is to be taken care of, and they don't really see themselves as having any control over their own lives. You really want to ask yourself, is this who I want to become when I get older? I can certainly draw some useful life lessons from them, and it motivates me all the more to take the stand that I am taking. One most notably is to always stand up for yourself.

Not sure I can agree wholeheartedly.

Ah good-means you agree with some niggling doubts, and that's a step in the right direction for forum harmony, and ever across the border goodwill?

Working with Chinese kids at kindergarten level can be quite stressful and annoying for certain FTs (you have to play the role of a white monkey in a muppet show which makes you lose your own self-respect), and I would hate to take such a job, also knowing that I wouldn't be able to give these kids what I may owe them. Therefore, I would never accept such a job in the first instance. I am just wondering all the time about the stupidity of many Chinese school or "school" operators who just think that a Western FT can teach all age groups. Well, I cannot - I would consider myself a relatively good teacher for students at uni and college level, but I am absolutely useless in a kindergarten environment or at Primary School level.

I did know a great big bloke of an FT who taught nippers and loved it and they loved him. He had a special gift for it and didn't look at all like a white monkey; although other FT's I witnessed teaching did look stupid. I agree with you, I couldn't handle the little shits. You personally would be wasted doing it because of your education-as for me, my disposition is totally wrong- even the 16 year olds go green when i tell them a bit about myself, because they have asked. Still it's all valuable work for some FT's and you can't blame the Chinese for milking a few bob out of it. When I applied for jobs in China I would tell them I do not in any circumstances whatsoever teach young children. Ft's have only themselves to blame for finding themselves in a position where they have to entertain toddlers and they don't want to. I feel a lot of them agree to it at the offset and then find it does not suit them-well, hard luck I say.