White collar smug
- 2014-09-12
Well, "Veloce" (or should I call you The Wanker, if you are him and just hide behind another fake nick?), your bus driver reference is all too obvious. Defending the status of untrained and unqualified teachers without degree and proper teacher training and, given that this profile fits you, yourself.
For the records: Untrained and not properly qualified "teachers" should have no place in ESL. If you have no degree, go and and study for it to get one before you call yourself a "teacher". I bet you aren't. Period.
Veloce
- 2014-09-12
Your bloody bus driver will turn out to be the fool he is when it comes to teaching. He is no fool in his job as a bus driver, though.
But you are the fool who suggests that untrained native speakers can make better teachers than those with formal credentials.
Are you the bus driver who claims to be able to teach? OMG, I would refuse to sit in the bus you drive and to send my kids to any class you "teach".
Fools should not be tolerated in ESL. [edited]
You did it with LG and now you're doing it with me. I didn't say that untrained native speakers make better teachers than native speakers with formal credentials. Untrained native speakers will never ever be as good in some jobs[most] as native speakers with credentials. There's just not enough of the latter to go around. We have to get real.
White collar smug
- 2014-09-12
Your bloody bus driver will turn out to be the fool he is when it comes to teaching. He is no fool in his job as a bus driver, though.
But you are the fool who suggests that untrained native speakers can make better teachers than those with formal credentials.
Are you the bus driver who claims to be able to teach? OMG, I would refuse to sit in the bus you drive and to send my kids to any class you "teach".
Fools should not be tolerated in ESL. [edited]
You'd see some FT's that otherwise meet the 'minimum asked standards' fail miserably and some bus drivers pass. Like LG ,my hope is that we can have future arguments free of vicious slagging.
Veloce
- 2014-09-12
No, not a misogynist. I don't agree with that. If you mean putting down Chinese women involved with crappy schools, those criminal Chinese women running training centres ( it's not only men involved ) involved in all sorts of corruption, well, they not only deserve to be "put down", they deserve to be put in prison ASAP.The same with all the greedy, lazy, arrogant and superficial Chinese women with an entitlement mentality, the "world owes me a living" mentality.
Yep, I'd put them down, maybe they should "put down" permanently, meaning death, haha!
I see we are back to the same old nonsense about the worthlessness of Chinese women. I feel it's been put in as a smokescreen to get attention away from all the refreshing, revealing, recent London Girl posts. But to answer this post ,it has to be. If you feel like that; don't have anything to do with the brazen hussies.
Back to LondonGirl. I am sure she hasn't meant to but the outcome of the last week has served to reinforce my belief that just because a teacher has lots of genuine qualifications, it doesn't necessarily mean he has even as much grasp on the English language as a retired bus driver from Brighton. A lot maybe to do with- where did the qualified teacher study? I myself am not knowledgeable of these academic matters. But one thing is apparent- a degree in English obtained in 'one place' isn't as good as a degree(and other qualifications) obtained in another. Although both degrees may meet these "minimum standards" the bus driver will have a much better grasp on English than the 'one place' student.
LondonGirl has reinforced my belief and confidence in some native English speaking FT's with little or no formal education; even though that wasn't her goal. If I were a Chinese school I would oblige all job applicants to take a (not using any old yardstick from the Internet)competence in English examination. The results wouldn't be unexpected for me. You'd see some FT's that otherwise meet the 'minimum asked standards' fail miserably and some bus drivers pass. Like LG ,my hope is that we can have future arguments free of vicious slagging.